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#1 Lad

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 05:20 PM

Hi all:

 

I am curious if anyone here has any input on the post crapalta conversion to a paleo type diet.

 

A year ago I tried going paleo and, after the initial carb withdrawal, I felt pretty good. I was still however on the crapalta so my apathy allowed me to let it go by the wayside.

 

I have read a bit about serotonin and am starting to understand the tryptophan conversion but the more I read the more I understand my own picture. High carb diets make you feel good because your body can access the tryptophan but that leads to a blood sugar rollercoaster to gaining weight to feeling bad to eating carbs to "needing" SS/SNRIs. OY!

 

I feel like the last thing my family needs right now is for me to go through another type of withdrawal as I am just improving from the crapalta withdrawal but if it is the best thing I would do it.

 

As an added bonus I am looking at a lifelong battle with weight and am concerned with the hidden crapalta in my, ahem, " significant"  fat stores. Carb withdrawal, fat burn release of SNRI another perfect storm?

 

Anyone with specific knowledge/experience?

 

Thanks

 

Lad

 


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Posted 26 November 2013 - 10:36 PM

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 10:44 PM

Lad- I have a copy of the Paleolithic Diet on the fridge. I don't eat gluten, so it would be fine; but I don't know how they made it in Paleolithic times without ice cream.

 

Natalie, you're up early! I enjoyed your description of the trip to the doctor's.


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Posted 26 November 2013 - 10:46 PM

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 10:48 PM

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 10:50 PM

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 12:39 AM

So, thismoment,, I guess I will have to find a book preached by the "Paleo Reformed sect" lol

 

How about the "hidden" crapalta? Will it suddenly appear with fat loss and exacerbate the withdrawal or is it more of a lingering annoyance typically? (knowing that everyone is different)


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 01:59 AM

Lad- There is a lot of chatter about SSRIs and SNRIs being fat-soluble, apparently to enable them to cross the blood-brain barrier (don't know how that works or exactly what it means). Fishinghat... help.

 

It is postulated that the drug remains in the fat cells and comes out slowly, contributing to a protracted withdrawal.

 

But there's no science that I could find, so perhaps it's just a theory. Maybe it's an attempt to explain the protracted withdrawal (a year or more) experienced by some patients. Maybe it's a rumour started by the drug companies to conceal the suspicion that SSRIs and SNRIs change the brain permanently.

 

If anyone knows of any studies on the subject, please advise.


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:16 AM

There are molecules in the membranes of cells, blood vessels, etc called active transport sites or sometimes called active transport channels). Each type has a particular shape which allows it to capture specific shaped or charged chemicals. And just like the name says this molecule actively allows the chemical to be transported into the cell or across a membrane. The brain itself is very selective in its movement of materials out of the blood vessels and across cell membranes into individual brain cells. If it were an open system then the brain would swell sometimes (say after we eat salty food) and that would not be good. The brain is located within the skull and it allows only so much room.

 

This characteristic is one reason why designing a psych medication can be so difficult. It not only has to be the right charge and shape to cross the membrane but also to perform the right action once inside the cell (whether it be a brain cell or a nerve cell). Fat soluble organics are the easiest to cross the blood brain barrier for a large molecule like medication. Most active transport sites for water soluble chemicals are very small simply because most water soluble compounds are much smaller than fat soluble. That is one reason why they don't use water soluble molecules. Another is that most active transport cites are organic compounds so they react with other organic compounds easier than water soluble.

 

I hope you can digest that with no problem. I am sure on Wikipedia there are better descriptions of of active transport. lol


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:32 AM

I have always had a difficult time with weight. But have managed to deep off the 65 of the 75 pounds that I lost. A very good thing as my type 2 diabetes is now in 'remission' .... Prayers for support for everyone who struggles with this... :hug:


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:36 AM

There are molecules in the membranes of cells, blood vessels, etc called active transport sites or sometimes called active transport channels). Each type has a particular shape which allows it to capture specific shaped or charged chemicals. And just like the name says this molecule actively allows the chemical to be transported into the cell or across a membrane. The brain itself is very selective in its movement of materials out of the blood vessels and across cell membranes into individual brain cells. If it were an open system then the brain would swell sometimes (say after we eat salty food) and that would not be good. The brain is located within the skull and it allows only so much room.

 

This characteristic is one reason why designing a psych medication can be so difficult. It not only has to be the right charge and shape to cross the membrane but also to perform the right action once inside the cell (whether it be a brain cell or a nerve cell). Fat soluble organics are the easiest to cross the blood brain barrier for a large molecule like medication. Most active transport sites for water soluble chemicals are very small simply because most water soluble compounds are much smaller than fat soluble. That is one reason why they don't use water soluble molecules. Another is that most active transport cites are organic compounds so they react with other organic compounds easier than water soluble.

 

I hope you can digest that with no problem. I am sure on Wikipedia there are better descriptions of of active transport. lol

 

fishinghat: That is just what I was taught in nursing school!  :)


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:49 AM

Cool, being a nurse must help you a lot in taking care of your horses as well. 

 

Be well my friend.


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:53 AM

Cool, being a nurse must help you a lot in taking care of your horses as well. 

 

Be well my friend.

Yes it has and U be well!  :hug:


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 12:08 PM

Fishinghat thank you for the great note on the blood-brain barrier. 


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 03:00 PM

Thank you for the input all. I agree Wikipedia etc can be helpful, but some results end up being far too technical for the non professional. You have made it make sense.

My remaining question is how long is it thought to reside there without burning the fat off? Although I am sure the "extra" 60 pounds, caused directly by the drug, are going to just melt away now that I am crapalta free there is the naturally occurring extra Lad that may take a little extra work.   :D


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 03:42 PM

Well lad, unluckily just because you are of the med doesn't mean the fat will melt away. While the medicine may have helped put it on you it will take good old fashion exercise and diet to take it off. Don't feel bad I have 50 lbs to loose also. :(


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 05:45 PM

I guess just because I am laughing as I type, doesn't mean others see the humour in my posts! lol I wasn't serious about the pounds falling off. I appreciate the input though. B)

 

It will be/already is easier to move though. That will definitely help. One of my Major SEs was muscle spasm that I was clueless to attribute to the drug since it took years to manifest. But hey, Chiropractors gotta eat too right? <lol tongue in cheek>





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