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#1 thismoment

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:36 AM


I posted this once before. WebMD is Eli Lilly's Internet propaganda site posing as medical information.

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 09:06 AM

Yep, so if you use the site, remember ... there are some facts there ... but there are glaring omissions and "slanted" commentary ... cross check everything with at least one, ideally two or three other sites ... Dr David Healy's site Rxisk.com is a good source ...


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 09:18 AM

And Dr Phil is funded by Pfizer whose drug sales rep Freda Lewis-Hall, M.D. enjoys regular pill-pitching sessions on his show. That's why you'll never hear a negative word about antidepressants from the good doctor: it would be a conflict of financial interests. 

 

Fortunately for Dr Phil, financial interests and ethics are non-overlapping magisterial. lol


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 09:58 AM

I just have to laugh at this and our society. Always sitting in the doctor's offices I see drug reps who make large amounts of cash. They are usually former student athletes or have great looks. If you think it is about looks and not about the actual science, it is sick to me. It is not the drug reps fault though, but the industry itself.

 

I don't trust the medical profession as I did 10 years ago. I now have lost all trust in all Psychiatrists, M.D's, and DO's. I do not trust them anymore especially when they are pushed by drug reps. It's not science and I am not going to be taken as another victim. 

 

I am just going to simply say no to most drugs unless it is a drug that is going to save my life like insulin or a cancer drug. The antidepressant scam has been going on for too long. 


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 10:41 AM

...I see drug reps who make large amounts of cash. They are usually former student athletes or have great looks...

i worked with a woman who before joining my company was a very successful drug rep - can't recall which one - however when she reached 40 she was let go. she still looks like she is in her 30's but they knew how old she was and had younger prettier blondes who could replace her - at a lesser draw as well. i learned a lot from her about how big pharma markets and sells their contraband. 


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 12:18 PM

This whole subject makes me ill..... :angry:


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:37 PM

Not to worry TFL, there's a pill for that ! :P :D


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 10:55 PM

For real? Web md is eli Lilly? Wow. Where can you go for drug and psych info?

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 12:31 AM

Gladiola

 

Yes WebMD is Eli Lilly's medical information look-alike site. It's there to sell their products by presenting stories and "studies" that make their products look good. It's just business; it's all about sales. Here are a few sites you might like.

 

https://www.rxisk.org/Default.aspx

 

http://www.madinamerica.com

 

http://www.drugs.com

 

http://www.ssristories.org


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Posted 02 November 2014 - 09:29 PM

Many doctors don't have a clue.  The neurologist I talked to denied that my speech issue was from withdrawing from Cymbalta.  I have to talk to him once again to review my MRI.  My D.O. was more understanding, but he's out of my network right now. UGH!


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Posted 02 November 2014 - 10:05 PM

Blackbird,

 

I'm so sorry that you are still having the speech issues.  I have heard from many on this forum suffering from the same problems.  Yes, no matter what the ass of a Dr. says, it IS due to the crapalta withdrawal.

 

I pray that you will continue to improve.

 

Hugs,

Liz :hug:


#12 CCHaskins

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 07:58 AM

Trust and WebMD. I am grateful for your research and enlightenment. I got caught up in DR. Oz's financial games. I am well educated but apparently brainwashed. I don't watch commercial TV, but somehow they "got" me! I have been withdrawing for 3 weeks now. Thank God for this site. How is this site maintained. What are the financial backers here. Funny when you realize the medical profession has been badly compromised it's hard to believe anything.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 10:14 AM

Chris

Even well-educated folks are bamboozled by slight-of-hand and well-rehearsed acts of illusion; there are predators everywhere.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 06:21 PM

How is this site financed?

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Posted 28 December 2014 - 12:17 AM

the fellow who started the site, Ken Savage, told us that it's (now) being paid for by the advertising ... there's a law firm, Schmidt & Clark, and I think there are now some other goofy ads ... I can't see them, because as soon as the ads appeared earlier this fall, I downloaded "AdGuard" (best $20 per year I've spent recently) ... it blocks all the ads here ... and on all other web sites as well ... unless you choose to "exclude" them ... for example, I like to see the ads on some of the sites I visit, for quilting, fabrics, stuff like that ... but the last thing I need to see when I arrive here are ads for law firms and other mental health junk . :angry:.. AdGuard gives me a nice, peaceful "browsing experience" ... :D


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Posted 28 December 2014 - 12:35 AM

Thanks. Just trying to be better informed.

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Posted 28 December 2014 - 11:53 AM

Hi Chris, yep, most of us asked the same question when we arrived here ... the crapalta encounter is what "woke up" most of us about the whole big pharma/pill pusher agenda ... it sure did me ... I went through a phase of massive anger at the beginning ... first at myself, for being so "naïve" ... then I realized that it wasn't my fault, I just trusted my docs ... which is what medicine and the doctor/patient relationship used to be all about ... then, I got angry at the docs/pharma cos ... then, I realized that before I could be an "activist" against this issue, I first needed to focus all my (little) available energy on myself... getting myself through withdrawal, back to being healthy, and then engaged in educating myself ... this is a wonderful forum and group of people for learning ... and you, with your background in biology, can make a huge contribution ... just first focus on getting well for yourself ... which I can tell you're doing, and doing great ...

 

I'm so very glad you found us!

 

How are you feeling today? What are the "symptoms du jour"? And did you hold up ok through Christmas?


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Posted 28 December 2014 - 03:20 PM

Thanks for your support 5 notions. In the throes of muscle aches and low energy. Fibro on steroids. Headache. Could b flu?!? Will see. Yesterday took small amount again because if this sites suggestions. Sounds like ocean waves in my ears. I also took a norco yesterday which helped a lot. At night 1 10 mg cyclobenzaprine. Today I'm shooting for a drug free day. Will see how it goes, but slept 14 hours just woke and it's noon😳 I hope I'm doing this right. Am focusing on my health but feel sicker than I have in years. Frustrating. Scary. Worried. Chris

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 01:47 AM

Chris

I know it sounds positive and perhaps even moral (to some) to have a 'drug-free' day, but the practice is counterproductive and surely hazardous. Both the opioid Norco and the muscle relaxant Cyclobenaprine have serious withdrawal effects when discontinuation is begun-- either by withdrawing cold turkey or weaning-- OR when regular doses are missed.

If you wish to discontinue one or more of these meds-- it's advisable to do them slowly, one-at-a-time. Don't worry, just go slow.

Breathing issues are cited for both Norco and Cyclo, as well as cognitive impairment, and the impact will be more diverse and unpredictable when dosing is altered. The Cyclo and the Cymbalta also affect urinary function-- Cymbalta was first approved for Stress Urinary Incontinence but a more lucrative deployment was discovered and it was re-branded as an antidepressant and pain medication.

Bottom Line: if you start and stop the meds willy-nilly you will be in a constant state of withdrawal with one or more of the meds, and you will surely be miserable. I know you have a lot on your plate right now, therefore it would be completely reasonable to ask your physician and/or psychologist for assistance in sorting it all out.

Because the med-scheduling is likely part of the problem, perhaps address that first. We will help as much as we can.

You asked earlier about what's permanent and semi-permanent inside the world of antidepressants (Cymbalta and the other SS and SNRIs). As a biologist you know the brain is a physical system beholden to same physical laws as everything else, and you know of its neuroplastic nature. Neuroplasticity refers to changes in neural pathways and synapses due to changes in behavior, environment (medications), neural processes, thinking, emotions, as well as changes resulting from surgeries and bodily injury.

Every event that enters the brain via the senses and the bloodstream physically alters the brain-- from a duloxetine molecule to a kiss on the cheek! These 'changes' alter with time and with new inputs, so it's probably safe to say that most changes to the brain are semi-permanent. (In discontinuation terms, most of the symptoms fade away and eventually the rest are simply no longer noticed). But it's the 'watched pot' problem-- we need to find distractions while we withdraw.

Discontinuation- like winter- doesn't just end, it fades slowly; it is quietly assimilated by spring.

But the only truly effective way to change the brain is to put new stuff in via basic daily practice (the same way you get to Carnegie Hall. lol). Self-talk is a form of practice, and we all know how negative self-talk physically alters our brains, and how bad that feels.

Right now you need some peace and a firm foundation from which to address this discontinuation issue. You can do it and we can help, and it's going to be alright. Hang in there!

When you are more comfortable and able to concentrate, consider learning Mindfulness, which is a vehicle for reprogramming the brain with healthy conditioning and many profoundly liberating perspectives.

Best wishes.

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 10:35 AM

Chris, I'm with TM on the Norco and Cyclo ... not to be taken on an "as needed" basis ... both are strong drug agents ... and the on/off use isn't for the best ...
 
Norco is a combination of Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone ...it's an opioid ... controlled substance ... addiction and withdrawal risks ...

Cyclobenzaprine (Flexeril) is a drug that's used "recreationally" / illegally ... and it has it's own withdrawal syndrome ...

please be careful ....

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 12:25 PM

Ok will do. I was so sick yesterday I could do nothing. A little better today. I'm just worn down so far it's hard to think ill ever feel ok again. Funny I never was a sickie now I can't remember when I felt ill, now neither my husband or myself make plans as our life together has been changed.

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 01:37 PM

CC:

 

please know that while it is difficult, withdrawal is NOT hopeless and you will get through this. i went cold turkey a little over 7 months ago and i felt really bitter for awhile, but realize it is what it is and its best i focus on recovery instead of ruminating on what happened and the "what ifs" about the whole situation. even through the most difficult times early on i was able to make plans and get involved in certain activities i was actually traveling when i quit. its important to manage your stress level. i find that often while making plans i get edgy and anxious, but when actually involved in the activity i planned for i feel a great relief! we hear the term "mind over matter" but, sometimes i have to implement the idea of "Muscle over mind" - i have to simply make myself do something regardless of how i "feel". are you getting support from your husband, family/friends? certainly they will never truly understand, and yes, they will get frustrated at times, but hopefully they can offer some support and cut you some slack in regard to expectations. 

 

are you getting counseling with a therapist? if it wasn't for cognitive behavioral therapy i wouldn't have been able to recover as much as i have thus far. i have had to rely on changing what i tell myself, our self talk is what will lead us on the path to recovery. 


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Posted 29 December 2014 - 06:19 PM

I'm not getting counseling but have in the past. I'm on Medicare after working 51 years I find even with paying for a supplement much less is available for retirees. Probably as it should be because if I don't have it figured out be now...I continue to appreciate and read all posts to me, what a truly wonderful resource! I will try to do more but I have a "fear" embedded in me right now that has made me nearly "catatonic", inasmuch as I have done very little. I feel sick, tired, sketchy, fearful, and sad...etc. I'm past my 3 week point, still getting pretty strong zaps. No "balls" today so far.

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Posted 30 December 2014 - 11:56 AM

hang on, Chris, you're well on you're way to genuinely feeling good again! The first month is the hardest in this process, and you're almost there ... all the feelings that wash over you, through you ... both physical and emotional, are 99% due to your brain adjusting to regulating serotonin on its own, without the artificial control of Cymbalta ... you're going to have a wonderful spring time ... and you're going to be able to make the most of your time with your husband ...

Be at Peace, do not worry about anything ... now is not the time to make plans, decisions, life changes ... hell, don't even brush your teeth if you don't feel up to it ... just give yourself full permission to heal, to rest, to do nothing ...

You're doing great, and we're rooting for you!

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Posted 30 December 2014 - 07:57 PM

Oh you are right there with the message I need to hear. I had to suck it up and get out today. I had such a hard time breathing, it's as if I have asthma. It was good to see friends. One is down w cancer again and had taken cymbalta years ago Shen she was diagnosed with breast cancer her doctor thought she needed cymbalta. Without any prompting she told me of the sweats and nausea. When she got off those symptoms disappeared even though her chemo continued. She said the med and withdrawal was worse than chemo for breast cancer. Pretty sad our FDA would continue to allow this medicine. I guess the problem is that people are put on this medicine because they are unwell so of course it iseasy to blow off their new symptoms or even them. I imagine the bulk of people put in this med is female.

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 01:23 AM

Chris, 1 out of 10 people in the US are on antidepressants ... not sure if that stat is for adults age 18 and over, or if it includes teenagers and children (I'll fact-check that and post what I find here) ... and, of that 10%, 96% are women/females ... I'll check that stat as well ...

 

We women are "easy marks" for big pharma and their psych meds ... I have some theories about this, and some articles about it, which I'll share tomorrow... er, later today ...


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Posted 31 December 2014 - 08:42 AM

I'm sure you'll find supportive stats, but everyone knows women are more emotional. What gets me are the doctors, named as reliable and specialists, prescribe medicines to be able to say they are giving treatment. I do not want my frustration to spill over and make blanket statements but how can one prove, except by their word, the withdrawal symptoms are real. I have reached the wall of familial understanding. Get in with it is the general attitude. I am in my 22nd day and I'm sorry but I don't feel much better; the zaps, sweating, mood swings to the extreme, all are still present. But in a way these withdrawal symptoms are much easier to tolerate than the symptoms in the medication. Did anyone break out in a rash around their mouth? Also, I am getting a skin reaction that feels like contact dermatitis but only redness. The main areas that itch are inside my arms and inside my legs, the areas that don't see the sun much. I am up to 8 benidryl a day. The nausea is still with me. Chris

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 11:47 AM

Yes, the skin issues are one of the possible symptoms ... transitory, in that they'll gradually fade ... the rash around the lips is one I haven't heard, but the sensation of contact dermatitis is one I had, but not for more than a few days ... I'll rummage around in the archives and see if I can find any previous discussions that might be helpful to you ...

Here ya' go ...

https://www.cymbalta...itis#entry30592

https://www.cymbalta...rawling-nausea/

https://www.cymbalta...?hl=+skin +rash

https://www.cymbalta...?hl=+skin +rash

And, here's a research article about serotonin and skin issues ...

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor-Induced Rash: Case Report and Review of the Literature
http://www.medscape....rticle/432399_3
 
If it would help your family understand that this isn't something that can just be "willed away", maybe you could show them some of the posts here on the forum?
 
Another alternative is to give them a couple of research articles that discuss the role of serotonin in the brain, and explain that Cymbalta artificially elevates serotonin, quitting it cold turkey cuts of the serotonin supply, etc etc etc .... they need to understand that this is a BRAIN issue ... and no, they can't see your brain, but it's what has been damaged ... and brain cells take longer than other cells to heal/regenerate ... or, if they can't do either of those things, the brain has to re-wire itself for new pathways ....
 
we've got tons of research articles in the archives ... let me know if you'd like me to find some for you to show them ...
 
objectify the issue for them ... use your professional knowledge to educate them ... this isn't an "emotional" issue ... it's neurophysiological ...
 
You're doing great Chris, you just don't feel great and you don't realize that you're doing great ... you're clearly a fighter, and you are going to come through this in one piece, with a few "bangs and dents" for sure ... but you'll look back and see how far you've come and you'll be so very happy that you made the decision to get off this stuff ... life after crapalta is, I assure you, wonderful!!



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