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#1 thismoment

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Posted 14 September 2014 - 12:27 PM

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders is on the desk of every psychiatrist. The latest iteration is from 2013, and it is the DSM-V (5). 

 

Are those members of the Islamic State who are cutting the heads off journalists and aid-workers mentally-ill? Are they delusional- which according to the DSM-V a mental disorder? Many of us would think so. 

 

The DSM-V defines Delusion this way: "The belief is not one ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture (e.g., it is not an article of religious faith)." My interpretation of this definition allows 2 passes for the Islamic State.

Here's why:

 

1. If an individual chops your head off because he believes he's receiving instructions from a demon, a dog, or the creator of the universe-- he's delusional, and therefore mentally-ill. If, however, a group of individuals (the sub-set of a culture-- a sub-culture) believes this, then it's NOT a delusion-- it's just their culture. Numbers matter; and for reasons not stated in the DSM-V, the behaviour of a culture or sub-culture cannot be judged with the same scrutiny as that of an individual.

 

2. If an individual chops your head off because he (and his gang) believes (or just say they believe) instructions are coming from the creator of the universe, then according to the DSM-V this is "an article of religious faith" and it gets a pass!

 

Interesting. 


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Posted 14 September 2014 - 12:42 PM

Well, once ISIL starts chopping off heads here in the US ... it's just a matter of time, given that "they" are already here and planning, and the person in the White House still says they're not Islamic ...  

 

I take some small comfort in the fact that in addition to us Catholics/Christians/Jews, the LGBTQ folks, anyone with a body tattoo, women in short skirts / tank tops, etc., the psychiatrists will be getting their heads lopped off as well.

 

Islam does not believe in psychiatry. The DSM V will be replaced by the Koran.


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Posted 14 September 2014 - 12:49 PM

FN

 

Yes I agree.

 

It's interesting how politics, religious moderation, and moral relativism manage to seep into what purport to be scientific documents.


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Posted 14 September 2014 - 01:16 PM

If Christians or Jews came up with a "scientific" article like this, we'd be excoriated .. it would never make it to press, much less be funded or supported by academia ... it's propaganda ...

Role of Islam in the management of Psychiatric disorders
http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3705684/

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Posted 14 September 2014 - 02:09 PM

Wow! Cultural-self-promoting-religeo-science. Too many flavours for me!


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Posted 14 September 2014 - 02:29 PM

That'd make a great name for a Baskin-Robins ice cream flavor ... "chocolate cultural-self-promoting-religeo-science chip ice cream ... :P

A sampling of how mental illness is "treated" in the Middle East...

Morocco's mentally ill await deliverance from their demons
Middle East Institute
http://www.mei.edu/c...ce-their-demons

The stigma of being mentally ill in Egypt’s Abassiya Hospital
The Cairo Post, 6/2/2104
http://egyptianstree...ssiya-hospital/

Where hyenas are used to treat mental illness
BBC News Magazine, 10/16/2013
http://www.bbc.com/n...gazine-24539989

Afghanistan's mentally ill left to superstition
Chicago Tribune, 12/26/2008
http://www.chicagotr...ec26-story.html

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Posted 14 September 2014 - 02:33 PM

Wow, the system just "ate" a long post I'd written ... guess it was too politically incorrect... NSA/CIA/FBI/ etc. must've censored me ...


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Posted 14 September 2014 - 04:08 PM

FN

 

"That'd make a great name for a Baskin-Robins ice cream flavor ... "chocolate cultural-self-promoting-religeo-science chip ice cream …  :P"

 

Or perhaps Kool-Aid. lol


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 06:56 AM

I wish we could blame ISIL on mental illness. but its not, its evil inhumanity. however, it is spreading like a virus. they are not unlike a "gang". they recruit through intimidation and if you don't convert you are killed. they not only kill"infidels" but they have buried children alive. they are now drumming up their ranks globally through social media appealing to angry impressionable western youth who feel a need to be a part of something bigger than themselves. have you seen the on-line videos that offer a call to action featuring american style gangsta rappers?

 

the only way to innoculate ourselves is to look within each one of us to find the tools to prevent infection - peace contentment and joy. armed with this empowerment, we become immune to evil and capable of bringing real peace on earth.

 

sunday, sept 21 is the 30th anniversay of the international day of peace. check out http://www.peaceoneday.org. their goal is to one day inspire a global cease fire for one day. in the past, they have encouraged it for a single day among warring factions. they were able to faciliate a one day ceasefire with the taliban in able to bring life saving innoculations to children. find the peace within you - however you find it.  just like in an airplane you put the oxygen mask on yourself before placing it on your child, we must help ourselves in order to help others.

 


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 08:51 AM

Brz...

 

Beautiful!

 

And I hope that you have a restful and fun trip to NC - one of my favorite states!

 

Please keep us posted...


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 12:15 PM

Brzghoff, what a beautiful video. Thank you so much for sharing, and kudos to TM for providing the tech support !

 

Sure hope ISIL watches it and participates in International Peace Day. ;) (If not, we'll just "throw the book at 'em" ... the DSM-V" :D)

Texas Sheriff: Reports Warn Of ISIS Terrorist Cells Coming Across The Border
http://houston.cbslo...ross-the-border

“I received an intelligence report that said that there was ISIS cells that were active in the Juarez area, which is the northern part of the Chihuahua state. . ."

“Muslim items have been strewn along the border and estimated that 10 to 15 million “undocumented aliens” have crossed the border.

“I think it’d be naive to say that (ISIS is) not here…We have found Muslim clothing, they have found Quran books that are lying on the side of the trail, so we know that there are Muslims that have come across and are being smuggled into the United States” . . ."





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