Troy Taper

Thanks hat I'm studying biomedical science so I like understanding the physiological processes.

Agreed with Hat - that is some useful information Troy - thank you.

 

The biggest problem with circumstantial reasoning behind this sort of issue is not so easily sorted out as it is based purely on the remedial cure of whatever is doing on at the time.

 

My wife is on the verge of being kicked out the country, regardless of being married to me for 9 years, purely because of the bureaucracy of the UK government. She is in a constant place of fear of when the men in black will turn up at our door and take her away. I would explain it, but needless to say, this was nothing of our doing.

 

For those reading this in 2022, the UK is in a serious case of political f**k up. I am embarrassed to call myself British,

 

The prime minister has caused so much of a problem that he has be forced out of parliament. There is no-one really ready to step into his position. The health service is in such a bad state, the economy as a result of all the idiots voting for brexits which now realise did nothing but increase taxes... all of this has left us is such a mess. I could see all of this happening from day one. Why the rest of the country could not see it is beyond me.

 

Apologies for the deviation of topic, but if anyone wants to "take me on" about the state of our country, bring it on!!! 

 

The country my grandfather fought to keep free... and for what?! Nothing. God rest all of those who gave their lives in WW2. I will hold my position to the bitter end, 

 

IUN

Wow that sucks IUN, yeah I can see what you mean. I don't think dopamine agonists are the answer in your situation.

I hear you man, the world is going to shit and its not completely because of the current phonies sitting in parliament, doesn't matter which party it is they're both corrupted and ran by shadowy groups with lots of money in the background who want the world to go a certain way and they are quite happy to use their money and control to punish the citizens if they don't go the way they want.

I'm in Australia and every time whether labor or liberal parties, we get more controlled and taxed, more government, and more stupidity. One party pretends to make one half of the population happy while taking with the other hand, while the party does the same when they get in, but things never get better, they get worse. It makes no sense, the more people there are and technology we have, should enable us to be more free, happier, wealthier. Instead we're more controlled, miserable, and poor. All they do is lie and take. And its global. And the media is part of it. They don't work for us, they work for their benefactors.

I'm sorry to hear your situation, you're a citizen of your country and you should be able to have your wife become a citizen and live without fear and with security.

Wow - you are in Australia... so you are very familiar with the sort of nonsense going on over here. I have followed what you guys have been going through over there and I can scarcely believe some of the stuff they are trying to pull. 

 

They work for us - not the other way round... Absolutely! 

 

Essentially, what happened with my wife was we were instructed to send in the wrong form for the interim visa application (to prove she is still living with me, not commited any crime etc). But having completed the wrong form, she became an immigrant. The took no responsibility and we went through 18 months of litigation. The wife lost the business she started, the friends she had built up and so much more. All she could do is sit in bed and lick her wounds.

 

Eventially we won the court case, but I then requested my money back that was wasted on the aforementioned application - approx £5000 with NHS fees. The Home Office deliberately took long enough so that when they did not agree that my wife was again an immigrant! Now she has no means to start another case against them. So again, she is an immigrant. It is horrific. The wife cannot take where she is at the moment and I am doing all I can to keep my head above water.

 

IUN

Yep we are deep in it over here.

Wow that's shocking bro, that sounds like it's more than incompetence, so you have to start another case? They should be paying for costs.

You really need to be a lawyer or understand lawfare to get along in this world. Like putting a limit on their response times etc, so they don't just time you out, if I understand what happened properly

I can't even begin to tell you how much pain it has caused. 

 

The UK Home Office are so very proud about how many visa they are handing out to support Ukranian immigrants, which in itself is admirable, but when it comes to those like us who get treated like dirt, they couldn't care less.

 

Finding a lawyer who can deal with this level of stuff is very difficult - and when you do, you need to sell a kidney and a spleen just for the initial consultation. 

 

We have a meeting with our member of parliament in a weeks time, but I don't hold out much hope. 

I hope something good comes out of the meeting my brother, sounds like a bit of a spit in the face handing out passes on one hand but stuffing you and your wife around like that.

The politicians in the UK are puppets with strings pulled by those in high power positions with the right amount of capital. We lost democracy years ago - that is is we ever had it in the first place.

 

I hold little hope for a resolution. These people say one thing and do another. The only way forward is the ombudsman, but even that takes months of red tape to get through and even then, do we really think they are independent from the government? Of course not.

 

We have MP's which govern areas within the country and most have fingers in the right pies, they run the councils, the papers... you name it. 

 

The British are like sheep though and they will just follow and rarely stand up for themselves. I am the proverbial black sheep and will not bow to any pressure.

Yepppp same shit in Australia man, we've been conditioned to be like big babies who are dependent on daddy government. Which is bullshit, the government is not its own entity, it is supposed to be an aspect of the people, given conditional authority by the people. We're the ones who build the country, we are the country, and what we want should be reflected by those we 'chose' to represent us for a short time.

But people don't see it, and they won't see it until the they're affected personally, which I believe is just around the corner.

We can only keep our freedom, rights, wealth etc by being vigilant, and I think we've lost it and become lazy and complacent over the years.

We can only keep our freedom, rights, wealth etc by being vigilant, and I think we've lost it and become lazy and complacent over the years.

 

Using one of Hat's favourite expressions... You have hit the nail on the head there. Everything that was once fought for is now dissipating into the ether. 

 

One of the many reasons I mourn for the passing of our Queen Elizabeth II. She has a perfect balance in how she approached the country. Knew when to step in, knew when to leave well alone. 

 

Of course, we now have a new Prime Minister, which is essentially, in the opinion with two brain cells to rub together, that we have jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire.

 

Tough times all round. You guys have my sympathy. I have already had two of my friends from over there emigrate!! I cannot comment on whether it should be a case of sticking it out rather than running in the opposite direction. I don't know enough of your politics. But given that it has already driven them to go this far, I can sure empathise.

 

IUN

Hey guys,

Hope everything is going well with y'all.

I am going OK, I am now on 20mg fluoxetine and been on that for a couple/few months.

Did you guys find that you still have residual problems even with the replacement SSRI, or did it cover all the symptoms? I am still finding my self anxious, sensitive nerves, and facial nerves/brain feels like its having a party.

Mine completely resolved when I went on Zoloft but that is unusual. A snri like Cymbalta regulates norepinephrine and serotonin while a ssri only regulates serotonin so once the switch is made you usually still deal with some norepinephrine imbalance for a while. It should settle down in time. Sounds like you are doing OK so far. Keep it up, time will help.

So is it pretty common for people to have continued nervous problems after switching?

Maybe I should up the dose of fluoxetine

Common? Yes, definitely. Up the dose of fluoxetine may not help much as it only regulates serotonin. Most people slowly recover from the effects of the norepinephrine but the options are something you may want to discuss with your dr. 

Maybe I could get my psych to prescribe propranolol or clonidine for social settings. I have diazepam but I don't like using it too much, and I don't really want to make it a habit.

It would be good to have something that I can take continuously that replaces the norepinephrine part without raising blood pressure but I think it's past that

That sounds like a good idea. Either should help. Remember it takes them about an hour to fully kick in so you may have to take it before the social event.

Sorry for my delayed input, but Hat has this covered perfectly.

 

There are plenty of cases on the forum where people have suffered residual effects after switching from Cymbalta, especially to an SSRI. 

 

Personally, I went through about 4 months or so of such issues.. to the point that I could barely walk up the stairs to my flat. I felt like I was 90+ years old. I wasn't out of breath, just that my legs couldn't manage it. I never thought it would stop. 

 

But eventually it does... and it will for you depending on how long it takes for your neuro circuits to re-wire themselves...

I've still got stupid ear ringing

That's ridiculous Troy. How long has it been now?  Have you seen a dr about this? 

Not forgetting that there are serotonin receptors in the ear.

 

The time it can take to rectify can vary considerably between one person and another.

 

I am of course biased as I have tinnitus. 

 

IUN

Its been around 2 years, it comes more at night time. Maybe I should have a word to my psych and GP.

I also have done a fingerprick test of my hematocrit and it has come back 4 times as 38%, which for a man is borderline anaemic. Although I'm not sure how accurate the tests are, they seem very precise though.

Yeah I have heard (through my ringing ears) that some people can take a long time to recover with the tinnitus.

IUN is right on. Serotonin receptors are in the ear and serotonin levels are lowest at night.

 

Hematocrit levels are usually very accurate. As we pass 50 hematocrit levels often drop as well. have you had your white and red blood cell count checked?

Have you had your white and red blood cell count checked?

 

That is where I would have gone next...

I will have to get another complete blood count.

I went from having high hematocrit when I self prescribed testosterone, to now low.

I am thinking still about hopping back on the test, but I'm trying boron supplements because it was my free test that was low.