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Posted 31 August 2010 - 10:33 PM

Hi Karen:
Vitamins and minerals are so important. But also its absortion. I wonder if the multivitamin I take is well absorbed by my body. Vitamins come in different brands, I am sure they differ in quality. Some of them come chelated for better absortion. I hope the stuff you ordered, starts to work for your pain.

Last week I felt very good. Although sunday I was very anxious and feeling bad for hours. Last night I dropped to 13mg. I am ok, although my head feels weird, a little headache. I am waking up at 5 am extremely thirsty and then go back to sleep.

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Posted 03 September 2010 - 01:36 AM

Dear Karen:
I am glad that you felt good also on Day 6.
Since I reduced to 13mg things are getting a little harder. Yesterday I had electrical sensations all over my body (face, arms, legs, head). Are those zaps??? I am not sure.
I am a little more down. I guess the menstrual cycle has so much to do with it.
My neck is hurting again, I think I won´t be able to go to yoga next week. That makes me real mad and upset. I will have to get my neck checked.
It´s weird but I am the opposite, I feel awful in the morning and better at night. Actually is 2:00 at night and I am here writing.
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 06:50 PM

Hi Karen:
Wow, it is SO NICE to hear that yesterday and today were great for you! and that the severe sweating went away.

My neck hurts and bothers. I didn´t want to go to the doctor for that. (I am kind of tired of doctors!). However I think that it is better to get my neck checked. I already made the appointment with the physiotherapist. I am sure she will tell me to do x-rays. I hope I can get back to exercising soon. I had been exercising 2 hours a day / five days a week. Exercise was my only way to counteract the lack of cymbalta. I am definitely not doing yoga the next weeks, but I do need some exercise. I will ask the doctor if I can still walk on the treadmill. I´m not sure what I will do with my dosage next week. I do not know if to stay on 13mg or if to reduce just 1mg.

Yes, I also read about someone feeling fine for a few weeks after he was off cymbalta, and then it hitting him. But let´s be positive. I have also read about people overcoming symptoms after a while. So it can be done!

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 05:58 PM

Hello Karen:
Yes you are right, it is important to be realistic during this process.

Oh I am so glad that you made the 2 hours of walking. I haven´t been able to exercise :(

In relation to the estrogen cream. Yes, prescriptions should say which dosage one should buy.

Friday was a good day for me. But saturday and sunday have been horrible. I get anxiety/agitation that can last for hours. It is full of racing thoughts, hopelessness. When anxiety comes by blood pressure is super fast. I got my first crying spell since I started weaning. I am having new fears (or hidden ones). I started dreading about my future, having to deal with life alone. When I get the anxiety, I get so dissapointed and start to think I do need antidepressants. I´ve been having nausea and diarrea. Because of these symptoms I decided to remain at the same dose. I won´t drop further until I stabilize.

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Posted 06 September 2010 - 12:12 PM

Hi Karen:
What does the medicine for osteoporosis do exactly??? Does taking calcium supplement help you with osteoporosis? What kind of problems an fotomax cause? Keep me updated on your colonoscopy. I am so glad you were able to exercise. About the estrogen cream, I´ve read that hormones are linked to neurotrasmitters.

Today I am feeling so much better. Over the weekend my neck hurt so bad that I got an x-ray of my cervical. Today I went to the fisiotherapist. The bones of my neck are ok, it is something muscular. I wonder if I am more vulnerable to body pain, now that I am weaning? although I took cymbalta for depression not fibromyalgia. The fisiotherapist prescribed 2 medicines (a pain killer and something to relax the muscle). I am also checking whenever I´m prescribed a medicine. I checked on drugs.com and cymbalta has interactions with the medicine the fisiotherapist prescribed for the neck. So I won´t be able to take it. I will rest for one week. And I am hopefully going back to yoga next week. Although there are some positions I won´t be able to make.

Today I feel calm and happy. But the level of anxiety I felt over the weekend scares me. I hope it is not my depression coming back, nor it is something permanent. I just do not know why I can feel so horrible sometimes, and then fine.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 02:42 PM

Hi Karen:
Oh I see. Fosomax prevents the bones from getting worse. Yes, exercise helps to maintain healthy bones. I also stopped taking diet coke, and stopped smoking cigarrettes. It´s great that you are already on day 12 after quitting cymbalta.

Now that you mention that exercise helps with bones. I did an x-ray a year ago and doctor found I had straight cervicals. They didn´t have their natural curve. After a year, and exercising I did and x-ray and my cervicals are a little bit better.

Although I am feeling better (I haven´t had severe anxiety). My head/brain feels weird. I feel lightheaded, and like my brain wires are not connected. I do not know if this is a consequence of decreasing the dosage, or giving my body the exercise it needs. And therefore it not releasing the amount of endorphins it is used to. I hope this feeling goes away. The other thing is that I am super sleepy. Yesterday I went to sleep right after lunch and woke up at 7pm. Then at 12 went back to sleep.

Karen I wanted to thank you for being there all this time. It is nice to have someone to talk to.

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 04:06 PM

Hi Karen:
Low estrogen has an impact on the body. However one doesn´t know if it is better or not to take hormones/estrogen. Well it sounds that menopause for you hasn´t been as hard as for others. Hot flashes sound to be bearable. You do not mention to have psychological consequences for lack of hormones, which is so good.

I hope the blister on your heel gets better. It is great that you usually make healthy snacks for school. It is great that you can spend time with grandchildren. Eating junk food once in a while is not that bad. Keep on the diet until you have your colonoscopy done.

My neck is SO MUCH better. I won´t be doing yoga for a while though. I will rest this week, and start walking on treadmill next week.

It is SO NICE to hear that after day 13 you are feeling back to NORMAL!!!!!!!

Could you describe the lightheadedness you had??? Because I´ve been having lightheadedness these 2 days

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 09:20 PM

I'm not sure what I should do now with my bead counting. I've been taking 120mg a day. Last Tuesday, I decided to stop taking Cymbalta and discovered this forum. I really appreciate all the withdrawal info I've been reading here. I decided to start the next day going down only 5%. I counted a 60mg pill and found it to have 140 beads in it. I assumed they all did. I took 14 beads out of the one I counted and left the other one alone.

Out of curiosity, I counted a few more capsules. I've had anywhere from that first and only one with only 140 to 189 199 202 205 208 and 210. What should I do? Pretend like they all have an even 200 and take out 5% from there? Out of all the capsules I've opened and counted, only two had 210 in them. After that, I did my calculations from that number and added to make one that and then took out beads from the other one to make it 5% less of the total of the two capsules. I don't want to count two capsules every day.

My complaint with this drug is very little sleep, and I don't want to pay $269 a month for a drug that's not doing much for my pain and has a couple of other side effects I could do without. I only had one week of pills left and had hoped I wouldn't have to pick up another refill of it. I got a new bottle of them today and had hoped they all counted the same, but they don't.

Any suggestions?

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I don't know what to think of this issue. This is terrible. You would think that 120mg in weight would have the exact # of beads. 60mg, the same.
What is going on with Lilly?
I have been cold turkey for about a week now and had a so-so day which is wonderful! I actually didn't vomit today! I smiled for the 1st time in one month.
I wish you good luck with the bead counting. I will never take another pill of this poison again

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 01:22 PM

Dear Karen:
I asked you about lightheadedness because what I feel is different from dizziness. I feel that my brain is weightless, it is disconnected, not wired. Now I feel better to know it is a withdrawal symptom that others have experience and eventually it will go away.

Now that you mention the itchiness from the estrogen cream. Could it be that the itchiness is from cymbalta withdrawal??? I´ve had severe itchiness at night since I started weaning from cymbalta.

So you will be taking the Fosamax.....

Yes, I also get PMS.

Well it is good that your son has your support with the kids.

Today I woke up feeling fine. I know that is good, but at the same time I have no idea why I feel horrible some days and then suddenly I wake up feeling normal the other day.

I´ve been reading some post on this site. It is sad to hear about people suffering withdrawal after 1 month after quitting. Or people who start having withdrawals and doctors putting them back ont he drug. I have learned so much through this site.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 07:33 PM

Dear Karen:
I think I do not get brain zaps either. Not the ones are described on this site. What I do get sometimes is electrical sensations all over my brain and body.

Oh I see, it is a different kind of itch. I hope the itchiness goes away soon.

I hope Fosamax doesn´t give you side effects.

Last days have been a little better. However I still feel lightheaded/disconnected, and do not have the motivation to do things. I am super sleepy.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 09:25 PM

Dear Karen:
I had lack of motivation during the 5 years I took cymbalta. But the lack of motivation got worse this week. I have been feeling very lazy.

So you stopped taking the Estrace?

Yes, I also had that feeling of "being electrocuted from a light switch" once. That time I felt it in ALL my body, as if the electricity went from my head to my toes. Lately what I am feeling is different, it is like "little" electricity sensations that appear and dissapear on head, face, neck, legs, arms.

I am glad that the colonoscopy went fine and you don´t have to do it in another 10 years.

I have also had yelling and crying spells, but I do associate it with cymbalta withdrawal.

Have a nice weekend!
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 11:26 PM

Dear Karen:
It´s nice that your husband walked with you and you did ok with the bandaids.

Wow you are already at day 16 without cymbalta

Yes, "body zaps" is the word! I don´t get them always, just sometimes.

My weekend was good. One thing that I have learned through this process is to really enjoy the moments I feel well. When I feel well I laugh I enjoy it so much. I do not have to be doing something fun, I can just be at home an enjoy. The thing that I´ve noticed is that I am having mood swings. Today I felt well morning and afternoon and then later I felt very anxious, frightened and wanted to cry with no reason. Then that feeling went away. I have also noticed I am super hungry at night, I keep on eating and eating. I am reducing dosage to 12mg, I am scared and excited at the same time.

How are you???

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Posted 14 September 2010 - 09:59 PM

Hi Karen:
Oh I see... when you walk with your husband you have someone to complain about how your feet hurts!....
Even though I am eating too much I try to still eat healthy food. I do not buy junk food. The worst thing I could eat is oatmeal, bread, cheese in large amounts. It is like you mention, I never feel full when eating.

After a few bad days, yesterday I had a good day. I felt so calm. The feeling of calmness is great. Today I woke up “hyper”. I started organizing some papers, and wanted to keep on organizing things. I do not know if this is good or not. If it is kind of mania or not. I could concentrate perfectly (thing that has been difficult all this years due to my severe depression).

Tonight I was watching TV and I spaced out. I was watching a program, and suddenly Iook at the TV and I had no idea what I was watching. Weird. I hope all this is just withdrawals.

It is great that you are back to walking regularly!!!!
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 12:17 AM

Dear Karen:
Yes, it is weird that one can suddenly become so energized when weaning. Like you said about working on your large garden, I organized a lot of papers that I had. I was so impressed I had the will to do it, but worries me that I couldn´t stop organizing things.

Oh that´s good you don´t eat bread. However make sure you are getting enough complex carbohydrates. (well you mentioned you eat fruits and vegetables, they should provide good carbohydrates). It is great that you learned to do portion control. With the weaning I haven´t been able to control my appetite these days!!!! I am eating like a pig!

I´ll tell you what happened......I was watching TV (a program that I watch everynight), and suddenly I didn´t recognize the actor on TV, I didn´t know what program I was watching, I didn´t know where I was, I was totally lost for a few seconds. It was very scary. It felt different from when one normally spaces out.

I am getting more headaches than usual. The good thing is that the feeling of calmness I feel sometimes is great.

How are YOU???????


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 10:27 PM

Karen:

It is great to hear you are back to NORMAL, you feel like yourself and you are back to walking everyday.

Concerning my headaches I do not take anything for them. It is "funny/curious" but I am not a medicine person. I ended up taking pills because I needed and antidepressant and then with the weight gain an antidiabetic pill. But I do not like to take pills. First because I feel that if one gets a headache, or a cold, the body is trying to say something.....maybe to slow down stressful life, or something. The second reason, is that during weaning, I want to make sure the symptoms I am having are due to cymbalta withdrawal and if I add other medicines I won´t know if cymbalta withdrawal is causing it, or the new med, or the combination of both.

This week was good (in spite of some symptoms I mentioned earlier this week). I just love, when I experience this general feeling of calmness and happiness. Today was good, I felt almost like my old me. I know I still have a looooooong bumpy road ahead, and I know mood swings are one of the withdrawal symptoms. But feeling this sense of calmness gives me hope.

I believe everything happens for a reason. And there is something I have learned. That is to enjoy life the little periods of time that I feel well. When I feel well I try to laugh as much as I can. My biggest goal is not to get discouraged by the bad/weird symptoms that weaning brings.

Have a great weekend.
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Posted 19 September 2010 - 05:59 PM

Dear Karen:
I hope the rash on your ankles got better. Why is it called disney world rash??? is it because people walk too much?
How was your weekend?
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Posted 20 September 2010 - 09:36 PM

Hi Karen:
Did your mom go to the doctor to get her rash checked?

My weekend was good. I felt balanced. One night all these memories started to appear. It seems that cymbalta was hidden them. All the good memories came back. Even the image of the guy I used to like during college ;)
Yesterday I reduced to 10,7mg. I can´t believe it!!!

I think I won´t be doing yoga for a couple of weeks. I am walking on the treadmill instead and doing exercises to strenghten my neck.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 12:07 AM

Dear Karen:
I hope your ankles and your mom ankles get much better.

It is great that you are able to walk 4 miles everyday. I walk 2,5miles and I feel an athlete! ;) That is such an accomplishment that you walk that long distance daily

I guess mood swings are a part of this process. Last night I had electrical sensations in my spinal cord. They felt like lightning. Last night I had a horrible image of a skull. I do not know if I was awake or dreaming. But I kept on asking myself where did that image come from?. Today was a terrible day, I felt very depressed and weird. As if my initial symptoms are coming back. Surprinsingly at night I am feeling a little bit more calm. I have some social events this week so I might updose a little (from 10mg to 11mg). Well, but I know after dark days there is always a sunny day!!!!

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 10:02 PM

Hi Karen:
After some dark days surprinsingly today I had a pretty calm day. I woke up feeling fine. (I just hate these mood swings!) I never know what to expect?!?!?!. However I shouldn´t complaint, because I do have calm days, I wished I just knew how to make everyday a "calm day"!. I hope I feel well on the weekend because I have social events to go to.

Wow if you are able to walk 4 miles twice a day you are an athlete!

Thank you SO MUCH for your support!

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 11:41 AM

How many beads are there supposed to be in a 60mg capsule? I have tried pouring half of them out to make an approximate 30 mg dose. Is it better to take a few out day to day? I want off this stuff. I have been on it for about 3 years, along with Lyrica. I have daily pain from FM anad degenerative disk disease. I am new here and searching for help! I would really love to get off it all, as all it really does is fill the pockets of the pharmaceutical execs! Has anyone tried Chinese Herbals for meds? Thank you so much! Kim :)

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 09:03 PM

Hi, Cookie

That is GREAT news that you woke up feeling fine. I hope that will continue, but you know if you have a bad day, a better day is right around the corner. I hope you'll be fine this weekend when you go out.

No,I'm no athlete. That's for sure! Like I said, I like to eat. Some study showed that after 50 a lot of women need to exercise 2 hours a day to lose weight and one hour a day just to maintain. I had already figured that out for myself. I've put a few pounds on since I lost that 7 lbs or whatever so effortlessly after I started taking Cymbalta. I thought I lost it because I quit taking gabapentin. Now I wonder if it was the cymbalta. I started gaining after I quit it. I probably have to just take the blame myself and get busy walking. Well, I have been the last couple of weeks. It was nice and cool this morning, so I was out the door as soon as it was light enough. I came home and had breakfast. Now I'm resting my poor feet, and I'll go for another walk in a little bit. The reason I do the 4 mile loop is because I have to do the whole thing to get back to my car. I could shorten it by cutting through the park, but I don't like walking there. I do a bike path that's out in the open but far enough from the street that you don't have to inhale the fumes. That's the only way I don't mind walking by myself. I listen to music while I walk. I can walk the fastest listening to michael jackson. It's mostly joggers and bikes where I walk, but there are a few people walking depending on what time of day it is.

Hang in there and have a good weekend!

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I think –everybody- should exercise to maintain health. When I started taking cymbalta I gained so much weight.
Oh I see, you have to do the 4 mile loop to get back to your car. Yes, it is important that you don´t inhale the fumes from the street.
I am down to 10mg.
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Posted 03 October 2010 - 11:16 PM

Dear Karen:
It is hard to know, some people gain weight after quitting some lose weight. Although from what I´ve read on this site, it is more common for people to gain weight when they quit.

I am down to 10mg. My symptoms and mood vary from day to day. I am having more "normal" days and some dark days/moments. I reported my psychological symptoms to my doctor, and he said to increase dosage to 60mg.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 01:56 PM

Dear Karen:
In response to the suggested increase I thought to myself the same words as you:.....”OMG!!!!!“

I have learned to listen to my body better, and I know which of the symptoms I am feeling are additional and different from the initial illness (depression). When the initial Depression hit I didn´t experience: (mood swings, difficulty finding words to talk, body electrical sensations, itchiness, breathlessness, flu like symptoms or extreme hair loss). It is shocking, that the response of my doctor to withdrawals is to increase the dosage. You are right, there are people who were on this medicine for other things different from Depression and have had psychological symptoms when quitting.

Yes, I´ve come so far. It has been months suffering ups and downs. I just want to be off the med and feel the REAL me, and treat the real symptoms, not the symptoms withdrawal is causing. If I increased to 60mg –again- how long would I have to stay on that dose?? Isn´t 5 years enough?? And then I would have to go through all this –again.- No way!. Besides, during weaning I´ve had some normal days at lower dosages. My mind is more clear. I am feeling more.

Wow it is great that you have been able to walk twice a day and lost weight. Oh I see the estrogen cream could have contributed to the weight gain. I hope your feet stop hurting so bad.

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 03:01 PM

Dear Karen:
Cymbalta was a relief at some point in my life, but then it just stopped working. No matter what increase in dosage I made. There was a period of time in which my dosage was increased from 60mg to 90mg, and didn´t feel better anyways.

With Depression, things/meds have to be tested by trial an error. That is why I want to get off this med, and see how my body/mind really feels. If I am going to feel bad anyways I rather really feel what my body has to say than feel the symptoms that a medicine is producing. The worse scenary is that I´ll have to take antidepressants again.

Yes, B vitamins are great, I am taking them. What other supplements are you planning to take?

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 07:06 PM

Dear Karen:
Sorry for my late response, for some reason I wasn´t able to enter Cymbalta´s withdrawal web page for a few days. Where you able to enter the site for the past days???

What is alpha lipoic acid??? I searched it on the internet and it says it helps the body use glucose, and improves blood sugar control. I also read that it works as a chelator to get rid of mercury.

I am down to 9mg, doing OK. Since I keep a diary on my symptoms, I notice that withdrawal symptoms tend to get worse during PMS, and after that I get better.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 06:18 PM

I could not get into the site either, I thought I had been blocked from looking at it by the IT guys at work!! phew!! Good to see you are down to 9mg now Cookie!

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 07:11 PM

Dear Karen:
OMG!!! the cream had chili peppers!!!!! and you felt you were on fire!. I hope it burns less the more you use it.

I was very down at the beginning of this week. Today I finally feel better. I hate mood swings. That prevents me to have a normal and accept friends invitations, because I never know how I will feel. However I am happy that even though I am in such low dosage (9mg) I can have such a pretty normal day like today.

I went to my GP yesterday to get my glicemic levels checked. After that, I made a comment about how my mood was and she started taking about the importance of exercise and nutrition. But what impressed me the most, is that she focused so much on talking about the benefits of acupunture and meditation. She said that in spite of her being a traditional medicine doctor (a scientific) she is realizing more each day how this things are an additional support for people´s wellbeing.

Dear Serendipity:
I see that I was not the only one, not being able to enter the site these days!

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 05:26 PM

Dear Karen:
I see that you decided to throw the chilli peppers cream.
I am happy the weather is great for your walks. Why is it bad to have a thought of walking a third time???

One thing I notice is that before cymbalta, I used to be so passionate and excited to have a boyfriend. Now I feel I do not care that much about things. This guy has been inviting me week after week, and I do not feel much. I used to like him so much years ago. Sometimes I think that I do not have much to offer him, if I never know how I am going to feel (moods swings).

Surprinsingly I felt so good today. Almost like before I got my Depression. I never know if it is an "artificial happiness" caused by withdrawal, or if it is my system getting clean and going back to who I was before.

It is amazing how I feel today in spite of being on such a small dosage (9mg). I just can´t believe my doctor had told me to increase to 60mg when I reported my symptoms a few weeks ago. I know this happiness I am having, does´t last long, but I made the decision that if I am going to "feel bad" anyways I rather take the least product I can. I took 60mg for 5 years, and never went back to normal. I want to be clean to really feel MY symptoms.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 11:16 PM

Dear Karen:
Walking is not bad. It is not like you are smoking 3 packs of cigarrettes. You are exercising. However, it is important that you do not get obsessed by it –everything in extremes is bad-. Well the important thing is that you do what makes you happy.

I am SO GLAD to hear that you are mostly back to normal. Wow! That is great!. You are so lucky.

I am down to 8mg. I think this drop has been the most difficult one, since I started weaning. Concerning withdrawal symptoms: I got my first brain zaps (remember my electrical sensations were on my body, not brain). I have a pain in the right part of my body below the ribs (liver maybe?). But the worst is the emotional symptoms (rage, bad mood, feeling like crying, extreme mood swings).

For 2 days, I felt the same feeling I had when my severe depression hit. That worries me because in this case I do not think it is withdrawal symptom, but depression coming back???. I´ve been getting these horribles images in my mind while awake.

In relation to the guy it is not that I see him and don´t care. The thing is that he invites me, and I never know how I am going to feel with these mood swings, so I rather reject the invitations. However, I made the effort today and wrote him an email explaining that I am interested but I haven´t been feeling well lately. He was very supportive, although I didn´t tell him exactly was is happening to me.

Yes, I always stay at a dose a certain amount of time (usually 1 week, and if I feel bad 2 weeks).

Again I am so glad, that you are mostly back to normal!!!!!

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 01:22 AM

Dear Karen:
I see, you exercise to control your weight, not necessarily for fun. How is your weight in relation to your height?, have you done the “Body mass index” calculation?. Because if you are in the right weight, it shouldn´t matter if the scale goes up a bit. I think the most important thing is that you stay healthy. Remember weight is given by 2 factors: 1. Exercise. 2. The food we eat. So maybe instead of walking the third time, you could focus more on healthy eating???? I totally understand when you say “giving the scale power”. I was always a thin person, but since I gained 50lbs with cymbalta, weight started to become an issue. This year I lost much of that weight, but I am fearful of gaining even a little weight while withdrawing.

Yesterday was the worst day since I started weaning. Tonight I felt much better (emotionally). My mood is so unpredictable.

The pain below the rib is still there, but I do tolerate physical pain much better than the emotional stuff. I´ve read so much on this site, about liver problems.

About the guy, I think during the hard times is when you know who really is your friend. He has been inviting me for the last 7 weekends. Let´s see if he will be there, now that he knows I am not feeling well.

Wow 8 weeks since your last bead of cymbalta!

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