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#1 MaureenV

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    Am trying to get off Cymbalta 30mg and wondering about brain zaps.

Posted 15 December 2009 - 02:21 AM

Advice, please! I was diagnosed with major depression more than 15 years ago while in college. Since that time, I have never been out from the effects of depression. SOme times are better, some are a big struggle. Regardless, it is always present to one extent or another. For the last 10 years, I have been on prozac. However, before that, I tried Wellbutrin, Serzone, Paxil, Effexor (I think that is it). I remember feeling awful getting off the Effexor - that really stands out in my mind. Anyways, in August I went from 80 mg to 40 mg of prozac. About 3 weeks ago, I switched to a different manufacturer of the generic prozac and THAT SAME NIGHT - I couldn't sleep. (Unusual for me). I have had horrible trouble sleeping for the last three weeks and have gone straight downhill into suicidal thinking. I haven't had that in years. I went to a doctor today, and he told me to get off prozac within a week, and start Cymbalta, 30 mg for a week and 60mg thereafter. I hae never looked into Cymbalta, and so I agreed. When I got home, I found this and other stories of getting off the stuff and the brain zaps, and it scares me. Then, I read something about serotonin syndrome, which I'm still not sure exactly what causes it - but from what I could tell, prozac and cymbalta together (if even only for a week) was not a good combination. Questions: 1. Can a manufacturer change in a generic drug make that big of a difference or is the suddenness of the re-onset of bad symptoms a coincidence? 2. Have any of you gotten somewhat significant help from Cymbalta to make it worth the side effects? 3. Are the side-effects worse than other anti-depression side effects? 4. I have samples of Cymbalta sitting here, I'm feeling miserable with my 2 preschoolers wanting and needing my attention and love, do you think I should try taking them? Anything that anyone can tell me about any of my questions would be greatly appreciated.

Marcia


I'm not sure what I can add to Cynthia's excellent post.

Marcia no one knows whether or not they're going to be one of the one severely affected by withdrawal symptoms if trying to come off Cymbalta. some have been on high doses for a while and come of with little trouble, others have been on low doses for a short period of time and had great difficulty coming off it.

Those who've had little difficulty are unlikely to bother googling 'cymbalta withdrawal'are they? So it's unlikely we'd ever hear about them. Anecdotal evidence tells us that many doctors have had other patients come off it without difficulty.

[b]However,[b] a [b]significant[b] percentage of people have intolerable and unacceptable problems getting off it. My experience has meant my GP will not prescribe it to anyone. Anecdotal evidence from google searches etc show that this drug exceeds all others when it comes to people searching for withdrawal information. Given there are other drugs more widely prescribed, that's pretty telling.


I don't care how small the percentage of people with problems is, the consequences for those people make this drug an unacceptable one.

Unlike Cynthia, the side effects when ON Cymbalta were the reason I wanted to get off it. So again, everyone's different. I'd second the bit about the filler, though.

You sound as though you're having difficulty making the decision, which is, of course, one of depression's hallmarks.

I do hope you can work through this with your doctor. Is there any reason you can't go back to the other brand of Prozac?

regards, Maureen.

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    I am reallly trying to get off Cymbalta, and not having, well I am having nightmares even with the decreased does, and clanging in my head.

    I just found this site, and I really need help, I can't do this, I fear I willl never get off this brutal medication.

    Deboreah Wesson

Posted 15 December 2009 - 02:38 PM

Advice, please! I was diagnosed with major depression more than 15 years ago while in college. Since that time, I have never been out from the effects of depression. SOme times are better, some are a big struggle. Regardless, it is always present to one extent or another. For the last 10 years, I have been on prozac. However, before that, I tried Wellbutrin, Serzone, Paxil, Effexor (I think that is it). I remember feeling awful getting off the Effexor - that really stands out in my mind. Anyways, in August I went from 80 mg to 40 mg of prozac. About 3 weeks ago, I switched to a different manufacturer of the generic prozac and THAT SAME NIGHT - I couldn't sleep. (Unusual for me). I have had horrible trouble sleeping for the last three weeks and have gone straight downhill into suicidal thinking. I haven't had that in years. I went to a doctor today, and he told me to get off prozac within a week, and start Cymbalta, 30 mg for a week and 60mg thereafter. I hae never looked into Cymbalta, and so I agreed. When I got home, I found this and other stories of getting off the stuff and the brain zaps, and it scares me. Then, I read something about serotonin syndrome, which I'm still not sure exactly what causes it - but from what I could tell, prozac and cymbalta together (if even only for a week) was not a good combination. Questions: 1. Can a manufacturer change in a generic drug make that big of a difference or is the suddenness of the re-onset of bad symptoms a coincidence? 2. Have any of you gotten somewhat significant help from Cymbalta to make it worth the side effects? 3. Are the side-effects worse than other anti-depression side effects? 4. I have samples of Cymbalta sitting here, I'm feeling miserable with my 2 preschoolers wanting and needing my attention and love, do you think I should try taking them? Anything that anyone can tell me about any of my questions would be greatly appreciated.

Marcia


Marcia,
I know that people always hate to have to get the generic brand, as they think
they are not getting the same medication. All a generic drug is, is the ingredients
of the medication, without the name that was given to it by the company that made it.

That's why I tell everyone not to buy "Motrin" as you will just be paying for the name,
and can buy ibuprophen, which is all that it is. I used to get myself so convinced it
was not working, or helping whatever. It took me forever, and I am a nurse!!! To get
over this hump, and just take generics.

As for going on Cymbalta, well if you think you have problems now, just wait. This is
known as the " The Slug Drug" as it turns so many of us into not being able to do
anything at all, just lay on the couch. It tkaes away you drive, motivation, desire,
passions, and makes you just numb to everything. Now that I am in the 4 th mo of my
weaning process, and finally found a plan that really works for me, which ended up
being even slower thatn slow, I am finally not feeling insane, that I will never get
better, I am crying, laughing, OH IT"S WONDERFUL AGAIN!!!! The only thing is it took
me almost losing it, and if this is want to want to risk trying for youself, well I
don't think I would even think about taking the noxious drug.

Who know's what caused all of this in the past 3 weeks, maybe a kinda withdrawl flash
back, it's only been since Aug since he decrease your dose, and now only 3 weeks since
you got the new meds. I still think I have crap left over from the Paxil I took, and
went cold turkey off of years ago when it first came out.

Well I don't know if any of this helped or just confused you. At least it kept you mind
busy for awhile.

Please do not hurt yourself!! Let us know what you do decide to do. Get the doc to give you a
RX for the regular Proxac, see if that does anything? It is worth a try????!!!!!

Debbie

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    I am currently on Cymbalta after many years of other drugs including Zoloft, Wellbutrin and Effexor. I had a terrible experience coming off of Effexor that resulted only in my going back on, then changing to Cymbalta. I feel, at this point, that the drugs are causing as many problems as the initial depression did, and am looking at the possibility of coming off but am living this year in rural Italy and need some real support in considering this possibility and its consequences.

Posted 16 December 2009 - 06:11 AM

Hi Marsha --
I too have suffered from depression for about 15 years and have been on Zoloft, Wellbutrin, Lexapro, Effexor and now Cymbalta.

First, let me state what I hope is obvious: I speak only for myself. Everyone is different. Zoloft was great, except it did make me tired and I stopped being able to have orgasms. I only ever came off it when it just stopped working and I couldn't go any higher in my dose. Effexor was also bad in the orgasm department, but the really bad part came when I came off. My pdoctor said we'd taper off, but it was all within a month or so and I got very ill with diarrhea and immobilising and intense anxiety. My new pdoctor put me on Cymbalta and my sexual side effects have been better. But now, I still believe that my anti-depressants are part of the problem I have -- low energy, fatigue, etc. Trouble is we can never know if it would be better any other way without trying. Our bodies are so complicated.

I'm planning to come off now because I've been practicing meditation and other mindfulness techniques, I've been learning a lot about my mind through some Buddhist teachings (again, this is just me, but I've found them soooooooo helpful) and I think I can do this, with support from this online community and others. I'll be doing it with the support of a doctor who is also a homeopath. Anyway...

In the beginning, it pulled me out of the muck I was in. But "slug drug' really says it for me. Marsha: I don't feel qualified to give advice since your body is your body, but really, I'd try to stay clear of the Cymbalta.

As for the question of the generics: While I have always understood them to be the identical drugs, as Debbie says, one psychiatrist told me not to get the generic version of, I think it was Lexapro, because it wasn't identical. (Don't quote me on this.) Never heard of that before. Don't understand. The whole idea of a generic is that it is the same drug before commercial branding. I doubt your problems are related to that.

And while I"m at it: try meditation. It really helps me. Not because it clears my mind, because it doesn't -- I'm still a beginner. But because over time, I'm gaining an understanding of my mind -- that my thoughts are thoughts, nothing more. Not real in and of themselves. That they have a life of their own. I get spaces in which I feel I have choices in my thoughts. More control. Even if the meditation doesn't feel peaceful, it still works. I strongly recommend two books: The Mindfulness Way Through Depression and The Happiness Trap. These have really put their finger on my depression and depressive habits.

So: try to stay clear of the Cymbalta.
Meditate.
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    I just found this site, and I really need help, I can't do this, I fear I willl never get off this brutal medication.

    Deboreah Wesson

Posted 16 December 2009 - 01:02 PM

Marcia,
I know that people always hate to have to get the generic brand, as they think
they are not getting the same medication. All a generic drug is, is the ingredients
of the medication, without the name that was given to it by the company that made it.

That's why I tell everyone not to buy "Motrin" as you will just be paying for the name,
and can buy ibuprophen, which is all that it is. I used to get myself so convinced it
was not working, or helping whatever. It took me forever, and I am a nurse!!! To get
over this hump, and just take generics.

As for going on Cymbalta, well if you think you have problems now, just wait. This is
known as the " The Slug Drug" as it turns so many of us into not being able to do
anything at all, just lay on the couch. It tkaes away you drive, motivation, desire,
passions, and makes you just numb to everything. Now that I am in the 4 th mo of my
weaning process, and finally found a plan that really works for me, which ended up
being even slower thatn slow, I am finally not feeling insane, that I will never get
better, I am crying, laughing, OH IT"S WONDERFUL AGAIN!!!! The only thing is it took
me almost losing it, and if this is want to want to risk trying for youself, well I
don't think I would even think about taking the noxious drug.

Who know's what caused all of this in the past 3 weeks, maybe a kinda withdrawl flash
back, it's only been since Aug since he decrease your dose, and now only 3 weeks since
you got the new meds. I still think I have crap left over from the Paxil I took, and
went cold turkey off of years ago when it first came out.

Well I don't know if any of this helped or just confused you. At least it kept you mind
busy for awhile.

Please do not hurt yourself!! Let us know what you do decide to do. Get the doc to give you a
RX for the regular Proxac, see if that does anything? It is worth a try????!!!!!

Debbie


Marcia,
Just reread your post, and saw that you didn't sleep the first night of taking the generic
verizon of Prozac. Do you think that's odd?

I also saw that someone's shrink told them not to get a generic for Lexapro as they are not
the same. I say he owns stock in the company:):) No, it is the same drug that your taking, they
can't change anything about it, and then call it that drug, it has to be just the same. That is also why it is cheaper too!!! No brand name. I was paying $74.00 for my name brand RX, and it's only $11.07 for generic, and trust me I know it's the same RX, and one I never would play around
with if I thought it was different, or not going to help in the same way, it's for my Panic Attacks!!!


Hope you doing better,
Debbie



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