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#1 MaureenV

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    Am trying to get off Cymbalta 30mg and wondering about brain zaps.

Posted 21 April 2010 - 04:29 PM

Everyones thoughts on this appreciated:
http://pi.lilly.com/us/cymbalta-pi.pdf


DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION
"• There is no evidence that doses greater than 60 mg/day confers additional benefit, while some adverse reactions were observed to be dose-dependent.
• Discontinuing Cymbalta: A gradual dose reduction is recommended to avoid discontinuation symptoms (5.6)."

"If the decision has been made to discontinue treatment, medication should be tapered, as rapidly as is feasible, but with recognition that discontinuation can be associated with certain symptoms [see Dosage and Administration (2.4) and Warnings and Precautions (5.6) for descriptions of the risks of discontinuation of Cymbalta]."

2.4 Discontinuing Cymbalta
"Symptoms associated with discontinuation of Cymbalta and other SSRIs and SNRIs have been reported. A gradual reduction in the dose rather than abrupt cessation is recommended whenever possible [see Warnings and Precautions (5.6)]."

5.6 Discontinuation of Treatment with Cymbalta
"Discontinuation symptoms have been systematically evaluated in patients taking duloxetine. Following abrupt or tapered discontinuation in placebo-controlled clinical trials, the following symptoms occurred at a rate greater than or equal to 1% and at a significantly higher rate in duloxetine-treated patients compared to those discontinuing from placebo: dizziness, nausea, headache, fatigue, paresthesia, vomiting, irritability, nightmares, insomnia, diarrhea, anxiety, hyperhidrosis and vertigo.
During marketing of other SSRIs and SNRIs (serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors), there have been spontaneous reports of adverse events occurring upon discontinuation of these drugs, particularly when abrupt, including the following: dysphoric mood, irritability, agitation, dizziness, sensory disturbances (e.g., paresthesias such as electric shock sensations), anxiety, confusion, headache, lethargy, emotional lability, insomnia, hypomania, tinnitus, and seizures. Although these events are generally self-limiting, some have been reported to be severe.
Patients should be monitored for these symptoms when discontinuing treatment with Cymbalta. A gradual reduction in the dose rather than abrupt cessation is recommended whenever possible. If intolerable symptoms occur following a decrease in the dose or upon discontinuation of treatment, then resuming the previously prescribed dose may be considered. Subsequently, the physician may continue decreasing the dose but at a more gradual rate"



Thanks for that. Interesting that Eli Lilly don't make available doses of Cymbalta which would make tapering properly for those who need it possible. In Australia we don't even have the 20mg capsule, leaving many doctors to advise taking 30mg on alternate days for a while then stopping. What else can they suggest?

IF Eli Lilly DID put down in writing (for doctors) what was REALLY necessary (i.e. making up increasingly reduced doses for individual patients by a pharmacy) no doctor would prescribe it.

There's no doubt Eli Lilly know these facts; unfortunately they're not conveying them to doctors.


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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:23 PM

The reason they do not make lower doses available for patients who wish to taper of the drug is because they are in the business of making money, NOT helping people. Remember that.

Some of the people behind the development of this drug really do care about helping individuals however this is the exception, not the rule.

If Eli Lilly did care about us, they would not only make the lower doses available (such as 20, 15, 10, 7.5, 5, 2.5 doses) but they would additionally educate doctors in what signs to look for in their patients that may suggest this particular drug is not for them, and how to prescribe lower doses and monitor their withdrawal should they desire to cease taking it. Instead we see the opposite in most cases. Developers of these medications intend that once you start taking their medication, you will stay on it for the rest of your life!

But to do the right thing, well, that would cost the drug companies millions. And we are talking about only ONE of the many SSRI's on the market. They ALL have the potential of causing withdrawal symptoms, if not for one person then for the next.

It's all about greed my friend - one of the seven deadly sins.

David

IMO the fact that they do not do these things (the RIGHT thing) makes them negligible nonetheless.


I agree completely.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:59 PM

The worst part of it I discovered
WE ARE THE LONG TERM TEST GROUP

From the National Alliance on Mental Illness

and a little past half down the page you see.....

Are there any risks for taking Cymbalta® for long periods of time?

There have been no studies on the long-term risks of duloxetine since it is a newer medication. Your doctor will monitor your situation individually if he or she chooses to keep you on duloxetine for a long period of time. Similar antidepressants have been found to be safe and effective over 5-10 years of continuous treatment.


nice huh
I never plan on taking anything that is either still under patent
and/or I haven't researched it for myself...
and here silly me always thought Doctors were supposed to do that for us
hence the high dollar visits

can you say pill-ola kickbacks?

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 09:10 PM

Leigh, you are an idiot. First, there is no financial incetives for doctors to write prescriptions. Doctors are only trying to help their patients to the best of their ability and resources. Contrary to your beliefs, there is no conspiracy theary. Second, you are a fool to only take only medication that is available in generic form. It takes years for a generic form of a medication to become available. The newest, most innovative, and in many cases the best treatment of an illness is only available in a non-generic medication. In the future, leave your uninformed and uneducated opinions to your self.

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Sorry informed but it appears you are UNinformed on this one. While most doctors DO want to help their patients, the problem is with drug companies. And they DO give incentives to the doctors to prescribe their drugs. My naturopath, who has worked alongside medical Drs in clinics in the past, has confirmed this for me. It used to be TVs and electronic devices but it has come to include such things as holidays. Remember, drug companies are profit-making enterprises. The bottom line is their main interest.

There are also many (probably most) doctors who are uninformed of the true withdrawal effects felt by many as they try to come off psychotropic drugs. The thing to remember is that drug companies fund most medical research and will only fund / publish studies that put their product in a good light. One example of this is that there are NO studies that track long term withdrawal effects, yet there are many people who take a year or more to recover after coming off SSRIs/ SNRIs.

Because they are not properly informed, wdl effects such as hypomania are incorrecly interpreted as symptoms of bipolar (for example)and other medications prescribed. Or, wld effects are interpreted as as recurrence of the original problem and an increase of dosage is prescribed or an additional drug. I've talked to people who have spent years on the merry go round and all it has done is caused them major problems, to the point where they are not able to be productive members of society and have little, if any, joy in life.

I suggest that you become a little more informed yourself before making comments such as this "In the future, leave your uninformed and uneducated opinions to your self."

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 09:15 PM

Similar antidepressants have been found to be safe and effective over 5-10 years of continuous treatment.


What they DON'T tell you, is that people are finding that their meds stop working, often between 10-15 years of continuous use (for some it can happen a lot earlier). People build up a tolerance, meaning addiction, and can effectively go into withdrawal while still taking their med! After 10 years of being on Paxil / Aropax, I was developing a tolerance and now know that I am addicted to it. Fortunately I didn't develop the wdl effects but I DID try switching to other meds and trust me, IT DOES NOT WORK. I am back on Paxil now and plan to do a very slow wean in the future.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 10:52 PM

@Guest_Informed_*

I would like to know what capacity you have with the drug companies, or what your PERSONAL experience is regarding withdrawals from this medication. Please do tell us, as you claim to be informed. It should be easy for you to cite your sources. However since there are NONE, and you are *Git* of the highest rank I imagine we won't be hearing back from you anytime soon goodbye!

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 10:52 PM

Also, who mentioned anything bout a conspiracy theory ??!!??

Unfortunately doctors are just like anybody else - the majority of them are NOT thinking people and are NOT in it to help people. They are in it for the money, and they all have a price. There is of course the exception however they are very few and far between.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 06:34 AM

Whether conspiracies, kick backs, etc. exist when it comes to this medication I will DEFINITELY be letting my doctor know what kind of crap I have been through with this. What he does with the information after that is on him. If he knows his patients are dealing with this and not preparing us, he has to live with that.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 06:20 PM

Whether conspiracies, kick backs, etc. exist when it comes to this medication I will DEFINITELY be letting my doctor know what kind of crap I have been through with this. What he does with the information after that is on him. If he knows his patients are dealing with this and not preparing us, he has to live with that.

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yep.. no matter the reasons...
the Dr.s need to do their jobs... taking care of the patient.. the "do no harm" clause has been trampled to death with Cymbalta...

Leigh



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