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#1 peterlemonjello

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 01:14 PM

Well you can't imagine how happy I was to come across this website. I thought a lot of the stuff I have experienced was my own. Yes I agree those "brain jolts" are very odd. The first time i ever experienced them I thought I was having a stroke. The way I described them was like looking at a neon light that is about to burn out and you feel that little twitch in your head.
I have suffered heavy depression for about 17 years now and about 4 years ago decided to seek help for it. I first started on Lexapro...no good...I couldn't take the lack of libido. I am a lover not a...not lover. ;) On Prozac I experienced a similar side effect. So I talked to my doctor and he put me on Cymbalta. Now don't get me wrong...the anti-depression aspect fulfilled it's end of the bargain...but I felt as though my mind was not my own. Plus, if I accidentally skipped a day I would end up on the emotional spiral. P*ssed off and or crying. I first realized I needed off this stuff in October 2007. I heard a Neil Young song and it sent me off crying. I felt as though I was mourning. The fact that I was dependent on it made me very uncomfortable. When a person has a case of depression that goes on for nearly 20 years the promise of NOT being depressed by taking a pill is very inviting. I also figure that because some of these drugs are still new there is no way for a doctor to understand the full potential of the side effects. It's as if they prescribe it with a footnote that says, "Ok, You asked for it."
So came March 2008 and I was still battling the withdrawal. I gave up completely on the "weening" myself off the drug process. About a week or two into the "cold turkey" days I slammed into a brick wall. I had the brain jolts, the emotional roller coaster ride and thoughts of suicide. I felt as though I had been fooled.
So I went to the local health food store and started looking at herbal alternatives. I found that a combination of Rhodiola, Kava and St. Johns Wort has helped me tons and for those sleepless nights I take a Melatonin tab (300 MCG) and that helps me sleep. With the Rhodiola I have experienced an upshot of mental focus and dare I say I have gained a bit more self-esteem. The Kava and St Johns have also helped curb the ol' brain jolts. I know this may not be the answer for everyone but I have found it to work. The fact that Rhodiola is an adaptogen helps a lot too.
An adaptogen is a substance that helps adjust the body's response, on the cellular level, to various stresses put upon it. This results in a regulating effect on many of the body's systems, the immune system, nervous system, endocrine system, cardiovascular system and mental functions. The effects one can detect are an increase in mental clarity and physical energy, enhanced immunity and resistance to disease, reduced recovery time after exercise (particularly significant for endurance athletes), improved metabolism, and more restful sleep.
So if you are looking for an alternative to help ease some of the muck that comes along with the DT's here is a good avenue to explore and always keep your sense of humor.

#2 schmb01

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 02:32 PM

Wow, thanks for the post. I've not tried Kava, because I seem to remember a warning about it being dangerous, but then I have memory issues! I'm glad it is working for you, and you sound very upbeat! Good for you!

FYI, Neil Young can bring me to tears on any given day! ;) He is my favorite!

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 04:53 PM

Isn't Neil Young the official sound of depression?
On second thought, that would be Radiohead!
(just kidding!) Keep on Rockin' in the Free World!

so peterlemonjello - more details, how many days have you been off of the "C" and what research did you do regarding some of those herbs? Never heard of Rhodiola - is it a plant or man made?

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 06:55 PM

Ah, I like to go back to the After the Goldrush and Harvest days with Neil, and no, he wasn't particularly uplifting back then, but boy, he spoke to me! LOL Still does!

Okay, back on track, yes, what is Rhodiola?

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 11:24 PM

Isn't Neil Young the official sound of depression?
On second thought, that would be Radiohead!


Morrissey and Joy Division should be on this list too!

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Posted 12 April 2008 - 10:13 AM

yes, and the Smiths, another sound of depression. But the worst is watching tv and hearing that morose piano crap in the background of the Cymbalta commercial, I need a foam brick to throw at the TV.

My musical moods of the day - Rage Against the Machine, Tchiakovsky and any cheesy pop from the 70s.
Hey, the ipod is on shuffle! Rage Against the Machine is recommended only if small children are not in earshot.

peterlemonjello - you mentioned the Brain Zaps to me and I forgot to tell you that Omega 3 helps some of us with them.
And I meant Brain Zaps as a physical symptom, but it really would be a cool name for a band. Cym-barfa and the Brain Zaps, kinda catchy?

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 04:42 PM

I found this on Wiki:
Rhodiola rosea also known as golden root, is effective for improving mood and alleviating depression. Russian research shows that it improves both physical and mental performance, reduces fatigue, and prevents high-altitude sickness.

It is used in traditional Chinese medicine, where it is called hóng j?ng ti?n

Rhodiola rosea extract is mainly used in the form of capsules. These capsules usually contain 100 mg of a standardized amount. A typical dosage is one or two capsules daily; one in the morning and when taking two capsules one in the early afternoon.

Rhodiola rosea should be taken early in the day because it can interfere with sleep.

If a user becomes overly activated, jittery or agitated then a smaller dose with very gradual increases may be needed.

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 07:19 PM

I wonder of this Rhodiola rosea is like 5HTP, where you can't take if you are on anit-depressants because it increases serotonin? Just a thought.

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 10:32 PM

Jeff, thanks for the post!

I think I would be careful taking it until all of the Cymbalta is out of the system. Also, it is important to be cautious even using herbal compounds, because even though they are "natural" they do alter brain chemistry. They are in fact unregulated medicine. (Not that the FDA does that hot of a job regulating synthetics!)

I would like to find a holistic practioner, or at least someone who has more knowledge than I, to help determine what is safe. Frankly, I'm rather paranoid about taking much of anything that is going to mess with my seratonin or dopamine levels anymore!

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 04:37 AM

I know you're supposed to wait, but I am taking st Johns wort, I am on 30mgs of Cymbalta now and the St JW is making me feel so much better. I am going down to 25mgs today so I am curious to see if I will feel so sick again now that I am also taking the st JW.



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