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#1 blueskye

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 09:43 PM

I can't tell you guys and gals how bittersweet it is to find this site. I say bittersweet because I HATE that any single person ever has to have these experiences but I am truly thankful that there are people who understand what this insanity feels like. A little over two years ago I quit lexapro cold turkey. I know that is never suggested and "tapering" "weaning" whatever you want to call it... is preferred. But I was at a point in life and situation where I could do so. I could crash for a month or so, continue to somewhat function (yes I was a college student working two jobs on top of school), and not jeopardize family and friend relationships. In short I was blessed. VERY blessed. I made it through and promised to myself that I would never ever ever again allow myself to be put on a maintenance medication for my mental stability. Life changed and I broke that promise to myself about six months later... and for a really stupid reason... I couldn't handle by best friends' emotional problems. I let her life get me back to a place I couldn't handle... and rather than listening to the best person in my life my boyfriend (finance now :lol: ) I allowed myself to feel weak and didn't want to be a burden on him and against his advice began taking cymbalta. I refused to go back on lexapro after the hell it put me through and the effects that it still to this day has caused (I used to compete in UIL math competitions... I can't add simple numbers in my head now... it's just one small example...) so instead i took up cymbalta since my mother takes it and my doctor (who was my employer at the time) seemed to think it the next best thing to lexapro. I am an idiot- just reading that back i feel like such a doof... anyway. I was rocking along doing okay other than feeling guilty about being on a med that I promised myself I would never be on again... until I started having other problems (abdominal pain, "Aunt Flow" was being a witch, and such) and ended up having a colonoscopy (all clear) and then a laporoscopy which showed lovely endometriosis. It all made sense then. I don't need the seritonin meds... i need my hormones straightened out... I had tried once before to take ortho evera low dose to help with acne back when I was on prozac i think... it was a long time ago, but i remember it was not good. so when I learned I now have endometriosis i thought great. Birth control is the usual and best way to keep it at bay. So I started tapering off the cymbalta and began preparing for some mild withdrawal symptoms thinking surely it would be nothing compared to the cold turkey stop of lexapro. I started using Nuva Ring about the same time I was down from 120mg cymbalta daily to 60mg every other day... and I noticed that it was like withdrawals every other day so I just stopped... and welcome to hell. Now over the past two weeks I had gone from 60mg daily to nothing, recovered from a laporoscopy, started using Nuva ring, and worked 100 hours as a security officer (most all my work is out doors in the heat and humidity of SE Texas or overnights)... Yesterday I finally went to the doctor because I was afraid I had developed a blood sugar problem (i am borderline diabetic)- my blood sugar was fine, but otherwise i was a wreck. My doc (my ex-employer and good friend) was worried about me. He told me to take some time off of work and let myself get over this and gave me vicodin, phenegran, and pro something to help with the stomach ickyness... nothing i could take and work at the same time. so i managed somehow between the shakes, severe depression, uncontrollable tears, and panic to make it to my office and turn in my work slip from the doctor's office to be off work for two days. My two days is up tomorrow... I have to call and tell them If I can come back to work tomorrow afternoon. I don't think I can. If I don't I most likely won't have a job. what is worse is that I just had a huge tiff with my fiance on the phone- and we rarely ever have even "discussions". This freaking drug is ruining my life. I am close to loosing my job, close to harming relationships, and completely falling apart. I haven't felt this low in a looooong loooong time. I just don't know what to do. Nothing seems worth fighting for except my fiance and my parents (and yeah they are my roommates- free rent until my wedding :D ) because they are the only three people in the world who don't think i should give up on myself. and I hate this. I hate being a burden emotionally to anyone. I hate having to admit that I am not superwoman and strong enough to deal with everything on my own and I hate how when I fight the hardest for what I know is right is when life is the hardest on me. I found this board looking for people who have been through this just to make sure I wasn't crazy. And I am thankful that even if no one reads this, at least I finally got it into words. I have dug and dug all my "adult" life to figure out what is wrong with me... and after eight years in college, (six of which lead to a degree in psychology- yep that's right psychology) I have come to the conclusion that I am not crazy - the vast majority of the world is. What once was considered abnormal and crazy is now mainstream... and those of us who can see that are the ones that are more stable than anyone gives us credit for and the ones most likely to be labeled crazy and handed a medication to make them "normal" -

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 10:49 PM

Oh honey, hang on tight, take a deep breath, and keep looking at what you have that is positive. That can feel like a lifeline when coming off of this demon drug. No, you are not crazy, your body and mind are trying to find their balance, and it is a rocky road to travel for awhile.

There are posts here about things to help you with this. Omega supplements are good to take, eating foods rich in Omega 3 is good too. Avoid or limit caffeine for awhile, as you may find that you are going to feel very sensitive to it. If you are feeling nauseous, some people have had good luck with dramamine.

You were right about the every other day method of weaning, it just throws you in and out of withdrawal. You didnt say how long you have been off of this, but a couple of things came to mind. If it hasn't been too many days, you may want to take 30 mg again, and then slowly wean yourself down from there. If you don't want to take it again, and I understand that, you may want to talk to your doctor about using another med to help you. Some have used Celexa, or there is the method of taking 1 dose of prozac. This works for some because it has a long half life in your system, and gets you through some of the worst of the withdrawal. I'll see if I can find the link and post it here or message you with it.

I don't want to throw a ton of information at you right away, because you are likely feeling pretty overwhelmed right now, but a few things are pretty important; make sure that your parents are aware that you are doing this. Since you live together, it will be important for them to know how you are feeling, and what you may experience for awhile. Maybe have them read some posts here. It is helpful when you feel overwhelmed to just have someone to sit with you.

Second, turn off TV, or be sure to watch very lighthearted programs, nothing stressful. Listen to soft music, eat good healthy foods, and stay hydrated. During the day, get outside and just enjoy nature.

Third, I don't know how large of a company that you work for, but there are FMLA guidelines that may cover your absence. Plus, if you have a note from your doctor, I would think that they would not question it. You also don't owe them much detail; illness is private, so you don't have to divulge too much information.

Last, (sorry this is long) you must take care of you. Your emotions have been deadened from Cymbalta, and now that you are feeling again, they will likely be extreme. When you feel like that, just repeat "it is not me, it is the drug". Jeff is one of the success stories here, and that is is famous line, and I know we have all used it.

I won't keep going for now, but do know that we have all been where you are, some are still there, but many of us have come out the other side, even though there were times we didn't think we would.

Read some of the posts, vent and ask as many questions as you need to, someone will always be here to get back to you. You can do this, and you are not alone.

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#3 blueskye

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 11:15 PM

THanks for the reply... i had totally forgotten about looking up FMLA guidelines... I know what the guidelines for call out/ sick days are for our local branch of a larger company... and I know that the office isn't always real great about following policy and protocol... if they let me go over this then I think it's probably for the best anyway. I know i looked a mess and sounded worse when I took my doctors note in tuesday... but without know for how long it will be before I can function enough to go back to work I couldn't tell them much. I have two supervisors, one is a very understanding female who really doesn't want me to leave the company cause i'll do most anything she asks of me, the other, well... he thinks he's big stuff and can be pretty callous... we'll just have to see what happens tomorrow. I do know that I don't want to push going back too soon. The assignment I work can't afford mistakes due to my not being on my A game so to speak so I don't want the company or my work partner to suffer because of that. My 'rents are keenly aware of the situation (the house is small... sometimes really small :lol: ) and my poor pop is recovering from triple hernia repair so we are moaning and groaning together... I'm concerned too since my mum takes cymbalta... I hope that my experience will encourage her to seriously evaluate her continuing to take the drug or at least talk to her doctor about it. They are both wonderful and I can't ask for better family! I had to giggle at the TV program part of your message...lol I love shows like trauma life in the ER and stuff (I'm a crime scene investigation student) - it made me bawl today... so I watched Cash Cab instead... giggle. My Fiance came by to see me on his way to work just a minute ago... sometimes there is more healing in a single hug than anything else. I love the boy and goodness knows why he puts up with me sometimes :D Anywhoo... It's back to bed for me, but thank you for your post and message :D It is such a comfort to know yall are out there. Peace, Skye

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 11:35 PM

I am very glad you found this site!
Let me say that you can make it through this and you will!
We have all been there, you are not weak, you are normal, do not beat yourself up anymore. We all make mistakes and trip and fall and get back up. Forget being weak and realize how strong you are, how blessed you are, how great you will be each day farther and farther and less and less you have of this drug.
Read as many post as you can, read the success', what works and realize we are all in this togher, we can truely say been there done that because we have dispite what the doctors say cannot be or cannot happen. This is real, this is reality, not what the pharm reps tell the doctors.

Be blessed and keep posting and venting and crying out to us on this website, you are not nuts, you are not crazy, you are normal human as we all are.

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 02:00 PM

Nothing seems worth fighting for except my fiance and my parents (and yeah they are my roommates- free rent until my wedding :lol: ) because they are the only three people in the world who don't think i should give up on myself. and I hate this. I hate being a burden emotionally to anyone. I hate having to admit that I am not superwoman and strong enough to deal with everything on my own and I hate how when I fight the hardest for what I know is right is when life is the hardest on me.

YOU are worth fighting for. YOU deserve to be treated as well as it sounds like you treat others. Cymbalta withdrawal sucks rotten eggs with a moldy cherry on top.

I found this board looking for people who have been through this just to make sure I wasn't crazy. And I am thankful that even if no one reads this, at least I finally got it into words.

I found this board too because I wanted to make sure that I did not lose my mind. Sorry you are in this position, but you will get through this. And I read your post, twice!

I have dug and dug all my "adult" life to figure out what is wrong with me... and after eight years in college, (six of which lead to a degree in psychology- yep that's right psychology) I have come to the conclusion that I am not crazy - the vast majority of the world is. What once was considered abnormal and crazy is now mainstream... and those of us who can see that are the ones that are more stable than anyone gives us credit for and the ones most likely to be labeled crazy and handed a medication to make them "normal" -

I think I have dug as well trying to figure out what is wrong with me as well, now I will give you a piece of advice that I at times have a hard time giving myself: Instead of wondering what is wrong with you, try to remember all of the things about you that are RIGHT that make you a special person in this nuthouse otherwise known as Earth!

My best to you, you will make it through this. You have so much to look forward to with your upcoming wedding, you accomplished so much in obtaining your psychology degree and you care about others in your life. You are a huge diamond in a beautiful platinum setting. The world is a hard place to exist in at times, isn't it?

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 09:59 AM

Cymbalta withdrawal sucks rotten eggs with a moldy cherry on top. ...
...You are a huge diamond in a beautiful platinum setting. The world is a hard place to exist in at times, isn't it?



Sarah, you have just made me laugh when I didn't think i could. what's worse than a rotten egg? one with a moldy cherry... and I can just see my fiance looking at me thinking you gotta deal with the cherry i don't eat em even when they aren't moldy.... giggle. Just the other day he was sad he couldn't buy me a bigger ring for our engagement ( I happen to think it is PERFECT :mrgreen: ) and you have managed to make me smile just to think about how giddy and silly we were when we went 'ring shopping" those are the things than get us through the rough stuff. Thank you for your encouragement and ability to make me smile :D

on a side note,
I happened to receive a call from a job position I have been hoping for for about six months now. I have an interview next Thursday and am so stoked. (does the happy dance does the happy dance) This tells me I have pretty much three weeks one way or another at my current job... either I'll go to the other job or find somewhere that is more stable and long term- this in itself is a relief. During my shift yesterday (yeah I went back to work - thought the headaches were gonna kill me but I made it...) my boss called to try to get me to work extra days this weekended because he's short staffed. he's been short staffed since I hired on months ago it seems, anyway... I told him no- you only get me for forty hours a week- five days (which is my usual shift at a certain assignment that i have been specially trained for). period. I can't do more. he then asked me to work extra hours on sat. the dude doesn't get it the dude does not abide. So i again told him no and he settled on my usual shift... then about five minutes later the guy I work my shift with called to ask a question of the boss man about next week if he and I could swap start times (swap the two pm-10pm for the 1pm to 9pm) - which I'm cool with not a huge change and it would help my buddy out... the boss told him no because he'd have to look at the schedules.... lol... so I think he may have fired me. i dunno. not sure. i am sure I don't care if he did :lol: all I can do is giggle at this point because it all seems absurd.

Life rolls on, and the best we can do is ROCK IT OUT along the way right? 8-)
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 12:10 PM

Blake-
I wanted to thank you for your reply :lol: For me though... I made a promise to myself once and I broke it... and it got me right back to the same place... so I don't think I can risk breaking that promise for myself again... For me no more meds like cymbalta, lexapro, prozac, effexor.... nope no more. In fact my experiences have me cringing anytime the doctor gives me a script for anything (even sinus meds.) and before I take it I gotta hit the 'net and do some research. Not to say I won't take any medicine at all... my grandfather was like that... I'm just really picky and have learned to be my own patient advocate... but I thank you for your support and suggestions! I tell my fiance that he "is my perfect drug"... he really is the best thing that has ever been there... plus it makes us both crack up laughing that it's a NIN song... anywhoo... take care and I hope the best for you in your journey too! I have no doubt it will be a successful one :D

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 10:57 PM

And also, NIN is hardly the band to be listening to when going through a Cymbalta withdrawal :D

Maybe the Beach Boys would be a better choice :)


Teeeheeheheeee giggle <--- yep that's right I just giggled. it hit me about six this evening at work as i was driving around the river side at work (i know rough work eh? drive a "mule" around the river side and make sure no one docks on company property... such a hard work life :D ) that dog gone it I'm happy. just like that it hit. yeah i'm still ticked at my boss for being a toot. yeah i'm anxious about my job interview... yeah i'd like the zaps to go away but hey I'm happy darn it... and I giggled. then I got stuck in the mud. then I got myself unstuck from the mud all by myself *pats self on back* - yeah for 4 wheel drive... and I thought about my grandfather who passed away in '97 (and I smiled - usually I bawl)... and my old sculpture teacher I used to call Pappa Butch (and it made me want to go create something... oh how I've missed that feeling)... and I thoroughly enjoyed my evening drive. Then I started quoting songs from old Family guy episodes and 70's songs... it started to rain... here comes the rain dadadadadada... the yard workers thought I had lost it... but I actually had one truck driver come in the gate today and say he was afraid that the rain had "chased me away" cause I wasn't there a few days (and he's there every day) and he told me he was glad that "sunshine" was back- it was raining at the time. I nearly cried and hugged the truck driver :) it is good to be back... and i know it's not all peaches and cream (or homemade vanilla and big red soda) from here, there will be rough spells I'm sure... but life is good. it is worth fighting for... maybe i should say that again in big letters:

HEY EVERYBODY... LIFE IS GOOD! LIFE IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR! HANG IN THERE!

and to be honest... NIN is pretty light stuff for me and my fiance... we are rather twisted I suppose (both crime scene investigation students and fascinated by anything gross and gory.... much to my mom's horror :lol: ) but that's what makes us good for each other... but we readily admit it's not everyone's cup of tea and try not to gross people out too much when we get excited and talking about stuff -- on the other hand i had to laugh when you suggested the beach boys... my dad sings in a barbershop quartet/ chorus... and yep they sing some beach boys sometimes too :)

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:29 PM

I remember the moment that I felt good too! It was something simple for me; reading a book, and I just noticed a sense of calm had come over me, and I felt very clear headed! It was amazing!

I'm so glad you are doing well, and that today was a good day! My sister told me that she heard on the radio, that this date is the date that most people feel really good! Something about the first day of summer, bringing back good memories, all that stuff. As I was talking to her on the phone, I noticed that she sounded really up too! Anyhoo, glad you are feeling great! yay for you!!!! :mrgreen:

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Posted 24 June 2008 - 11:18 AM

Just wanted to drop a quick update...
the brain zaps are being more manageable... I can't read, sketch, or be on the computer for long (focusing my eyes makes my zaps worse) but now that I understand that I'm able to adjust a bit.
I talked to my boss and explained to him that he's got me for three weeks more at the most (by then I'll have found out for sure about the other job...) and he asked why I would leave his company if I didn't get the other job... I straight up told him "Dude... I got health issues and I HAVE to have insurance- I gotta find a job with benefits" and he was actually most understanding of that. So I'm relieved! His whole attitude toward me has changed now that he knows I am leaving within a month anyway- I think it clicked for him not to push me too hard or I'd walk... so yea! He's really not a bad guy... I think he's just a little disorganized with scheduling and it causes mega stress on everybody- anywhoo...
I've also noticed that my emotions swing waaaayyy around sometimes- from anger and aggressiveness to tears and stuff- but I know that it will take a bit for me to get used to managing my emotions rather than being numb... so in an odd way I really kind enjoy having the whole range of emotions again... and I am SOOOOOOOO glad to have the motivation back to be creative and to push myself to do things I have always wanted to do (like take martial arts classes - somehow I'll fit that in somewhere :lol: ) Just last night I had a brain storm on how to double storage space in a tiny apartment my fiance is moving into for no more cost than two sheets of plywood - even calculated numbers and everything- woot woot... so things are looking up...
I'll keep checking in on the board, and you guys are wonderful
Lots of hugs to all
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