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[thismoment]

Few Cymbalta survivors would disagree with the fact that Cymbalta affects the emotions. And often, it alters the emotions to the point where most feelings including empathy and compassion, are gone.

 

One of the incredible highlights of withdrawal is the time when these emotions come flooding back; this is withdrawal's moment of grace!  To be able to feel empathy and compassion and love after many months or years of walking around as a zombie, is indeed a cathartic rebirth!

 

Therefore, it could be argued that drug companies like Eli Lilly are effectively manufacturing sociopaths. Take a Cymbalta user who has been stripped of empathy and compassion, add a random social crisis and a weapon, and now we have a problem.

 

Without a doubt, the high point of your withdrawal from Cymbalta will be the re-instatement of your emotions- it's a show you don't want to miss! 

 

So keep counting those beads folks, and when you reach zero, mail what's left back to the alchemists at Eli Lilly.

[Lad]

On another tragic day such as this, with more young people involved in a school shooting, it could be a strong argument. Purely conjecture, but IF today's disturbed young man in Colorado was on an antidepressant recently perhaps it could add fuel to the uprising against their indiscriminate proliferation.

 

and sadly, if you sent them back you would likely be drawn and quartered for illegal distribution of a "not very well" controlled substance!

 

 

Lad

[thismoment]

Hi Lad. Yes I agree, another sad day.

 

If the perpetrator is under age, the court documents are sealed, so it's difficult to get information on those under 18.

 

But it's more than conjecture, and this correlation is getting exposed more and more.

 

Here are a few links. The last three are books.

 

www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school

 

www.hangthebankers.com/list-of-school-shootings-on-antidepressants/

 

www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/

 

Anatomy of an Epidemic, Robert Whitaker (2010)

 

Let Them Eat Prozac, David Healey (2006)

 

Pharmageddon, David Healey (2013)

[Lad]

I bought the Anatomy of an Epidemic yesterday after reading about it on here and seeing your endorsement in other posts. I look forward to reading it, I think. lol

 

I also bought "The Antidote, Happiness for people who cant stand positive thinking" by Oliver Burkeman, which is apparently about the "ironic effect" of trying to be happy. It looks interesting to me.

 

I understand that HIPPA would not allow the information about his medical records but, as shown in your previously posted video, parental disclosure is possible. His family may want to help others understand the real reason behind the tragedy.

 

Lad

[thismoment]

Hi again Lad- nice to have this exchange with you.

 

In Anatomy of an Epidemic, I read that when testing Zoloft for effectiveness, the placebo and Zoloft tied, and St. John's Wort came out on top. That data was buried by the company.

 

Here's a perspective this text addresses: The truly active forces- the drivers of this business appear to be spin and propaganda (Hippocrates is obscenely absent within the context of rationale). Who is buying this stuff- in other words, what is the source of the demand, and how is this demand engineered? 

 

Whitaker argues that drug companies spin and manipulate data via published psychiatrists that are on their payroll. This data is targeted to physicians and  psychiatrists in the field who are desperate to alleviate the pain and suffering of patients- pain and suffering that may not necessarily be readily identified. But people really are suffering, and that motivates physicians (who are sold this safe and easy-to-use product), and demand is born. The physicians and psychiatrists in the field appear to be the duped middle-men in a shadow-world of unknowable ailments: but they have to try something!

 

But perhaps there are other alternatives.

 

These SSRIs are cheap to make, and they yield staggering profits. And in light of the fact that in general, placebos are shown to be equally effective (but without permanently altering the structure of the brain), clearly, alternative treatments need to be considered. Here's one: Britain has trained a small army of psychologists and therapists to be first-line responders for mild-medium depression, and, prescribing anti-depressants is being phased out as the standard first-line treatment.

 

Interesting stuff. 

 

And the emerging data on the correlation between anti-depressants and mass-murder is finally coming to light.

[Lad]

Yes extremely interesting stuff. I feel like a sheep and am ashamed to have to admit it.

 

I have started "The Antidote" first since I am looking to stave off issues that made me think a magic pill would help. Amazing stuff regarding the cultural focus on "happiness" and "success" and the pitfalls of seeking them. The current obsession with "positive hype affirmation" and our belief in an ability to achieve Anything, leading to only greater disappointment when things go awry and affirming deep seeded anxieties........ It seems to all fit pretty neatly together. (as far as I have read in an afternoon between diaper changes and snow blowing. lol) Mindful meditation, that I have seen you mention so often, is even brought up in the first few pages as an alternative to the mainstream solutions to self improvement.

 

Burkeman also has touched on the "Happiness Industry" and the perspectives of therapists' involvement in the positive affirmation phenomenon.

I am barely into this book  but so far it is interesting to me learning about the Stoics, the first of his anti positive thinking case studies, and their philosophies. Negative thinking to happiness, who knew but so far it makes sense.

 

I believe that big business is out for themselves in general and Psycho pharma is no different. Perhaps the same "achieve anything" CEOs that could not see derivative funds and mortgage default swaps ever causing financial collapse could not see that bad drugs and unfettered gun sales would lead to school shootings? As for selling to the doctors? Gain the trust of the ones with the trust and the money will follow I suppose.

That being said, I also think that pharmaceutical companies have improved the lives of Billions with thousands of great drugs such as antibiotics, vaccines, anesthetics, blood pressure and cholesterol drugs etc but a few have gotten "out of control"

 

Is this situation tied to "failure is not an option" across this SSRI/SNRI spectrum? Brainwashed CEO to "unsuccessful" patient needing a magic pill? So many questions. lol I guess Ill just keep reading, other than the spin and propaganda. lol

 

Lad

[Lad]

So they say this young man at Arapahoe had no history of mental illness. So sad. 

 

I still cant help but think he was influenced, perhaps indirectly, by the mental illness "epidemic". The ever increasing frequency and intensity of the drug induced violence can't help but influence even a healthy child. Then to not "succeed", (as in the debate club) in the way we are all told we could if we just refuse to accept negativity or failure........ "I'll show them" takes on a new light.