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#1 thismoment

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 01:31 AM

It's pretty clear that the term "withdrawal syndrome" was changed to "discontinuation syndrome" in the interest of political-correctness and positive spin.

 

"Withdrawal syndrome", of course, relates to those ancient and well-proven opiates that our species grew up with. But the moral authorities have hidden those away from us for our own good.  Sadly, these inexpensive and highly-effective drugs were driven underground and are now mostly marketed by street-based corporations whose CEOs wear leathers, sport bushy beards and pack 9mm autos. On the other hand, "discontinuation syndrome" (the more respectable term) relates to brand new, dizzyingly profitable chemical concoctions with no history and dubious effectiveness; these brain-altering chemical new-borns ooze from factory vats, conjured out by bony-fingered chalk-faced neo-chemists. And these designer speedballs are marketed by respectable Wall Street-based corporations whose CEOs wear Armani suits, drive BMWs and sport uptown Young Republican haircuts.

 

From Wikipedia-

In 1996, Eli Lilly and Company sponsored a symposium to address the increasing number of reports of patients who had difficult symptoms after going off their antidepressants: 

 

'By then it had become clear that drug-company estimates that at most a few percent of those who took antidepressants would have a hard time getting off were far too low . . . researchers at Massachusetts General Hospital, found that . . . 20 percent to 80 percent . . . suffered what was being called antidepressant withdrawal (but which, after the symposium, was renamed "discontinuation syndrome")'.    NYTimes, May 6 2007

 

Interesting.


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Posted 25 December 2013 - 03:28 AM

Agree moment-- Eli Lilly and their soft terminology -which now takes me to looking up 'relapse syndrome'after stopping anti dep.  I was reading on health message board recently and someone posting about getting off Oxycodone. the advice was identical to weaning off Cymb.


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 02:34 AM

Walter White's face is on both sides of the coin! :unsure: one side in his hat, the other in a suit! (excuse the breaking bad reference)


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:30 PM

I was on morphine the extended release....came off of it last March, under physician supervision. Even had a med to take to help w/the w/d symptoms.

Clonidine "if" I "recall"...lol

 

I have 2 say that coming off morphine was BAD but coming off the Cymbalta is a 1000X worse!!! Had I not found this forum and learned how to do the "bead count" no doubt I'd still be on that evil drug. YES it helps some ppl, YES some can come off of it w/out difficulty. However "I" am NOT one of those ppl...

 

Anyhow I thank my God everyday for the friend on this forum who have been here for me when the going got rough... I say that 2 say this. 

 

I am on oxycodone and that is the "next" BAD drug I want off of. I have chronic LBP, I live w/that every day of my life.....but I am blessed because 

I'm still walking w/my little altered gait, but walking just the same. I will be Cymbalta FREE tho before I attempt that next one...

 

Prayers and hope for all of us here!

As always TheEquusWoman :hug:


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:29 PM

Equuswoman, you have been through some tough times, and clearly, your struggle continues. I am thinking thoughts of peace and hope toward you.

 

With what I know now- for pain- I would choose an opioid over SSRI/SNRI antidepressants without a doubt- no contest- hands down!!  

 

Both are addictive, but addiction has no meaning when dealing with deep pain- keep the politics out.  The Spin Departments from BigPharma play semantics and say antipsychotics- SSRI/SNRIs are not "technically or classically" addictive. We know that with opioids, in time you will need more of the drug to achieve the same level of pain relief, and yes there is a serious withdrawal with opioids. With SSRI/SNRIs, in time you will need more of the drug to keep the emergence of new symptoms at bay! And we know that withdrawal from antipsychotics is far far worse that from opioids.

 

But in general, following withdrawal from opioids, patients report returning to "normal"; their brains feel familiar. However, there is no such guarantee with SSRIs and SNRIs- many of us (me included) who have gone through SSRI/SNRI withdrawal have retained some of the symptoms that emerged while on the drug or during withdrawal, and some of these symptoms are permanent. At the end of the trauma, the assault of withdrawal, some of our brains are returned noticeably different.  

 

We all know that politics, power, economics, propaganda and political-correctness will ALL be considered by our health workers in advance of treating our long-term pain from spine or hip surgery.

 

Anybody have a thesis on who's running the show?

 

And here's the pathetically sour note: many patients are put on SSRI/SNRIs for pain, and have emerged from withdrawal with depression and anxiety symptoms they got from taking the drug . . .  so guess what drug they need now, and perhaps will need  for the rest of their lives!?!

 

Makes me sad.


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 03:06 PM

Equuswoman, you have been through some tough times, and clearly, your struggle continues. I am thinking thoughts of peace and hope toward you.

 

With what I know now- for pain- I would choose an opioid over SSRI/SNRI antidepressants without a doubt- no contest- hands down!!  

 

Both are addictive, but addiction has no meaning when dealing with deep pain- keep the politics out.  The Spin Departments from BigPharma play semantics and say antipsychotics- SSRI/SNRIs are not "technically or classically" addictive. We know that with opioids, in time you will need more of the drug to achieve the same level of pain relief, and yes there is a serious withdrawal with opioids. With SSRI/SNRIs, in time you will need more of the drug to keep the emergence of new symptoms at bay! And we know that withdrawal from antipsychotics is far far worse that from opioids.

 

But in general, following withdrawal from opioids, patients report returning to "normal"; their brains feel familiar. However, there is no such guarantee with SSRIs and SNRIs- many of us (me included) who have gone through SSRI/SNRI withdrawal have retained some of the symptoms that emerged while on the drug or during withdrawal, and some of these symptoms are permanent. At the end of the trauma, the assault of withdrawal, some of our brains are returned noticeably different.  

 

We all know that politics, power, economics, propaganda and political-correctness will ALL be considered by our health workers in advance of treating our long-term pain from spine or hip surgery.

 

Anybody have a thesis on who's running the show?

 

And here's the pathetically sour note: many patients are put on SSRI/SNRIs for pain, and have emerged from withdrawal with depression and anxiety symptoms they got from taking the drug . . .  so guess what drug they need now, and perhaps for the rest of their lives!?!

 

Makes me sad.

 

Makes me sad and mad 2! However I will continue taking it one bead at a time, one day at a time. Checking this forum every day for the help and encouragement that I must have in order to continue on down this road. Thank you so much thismoment for the help given me. You've been a blessing in my life as has others here on the forum!

 

Oh btw this just happened to come 2 mind...remember the songs you've posted here on the forum...Hotel Cymbalta...

 

Well put this to some lyrics when you have time. You are so very creative....

 

Knock, knock, knockin' on hells door....do you remember that one lol actually it was heavens door in the song I think I 'recall'

 

Here I found it:

 

Knocking on Heaven's Door

Mama, take this badge from me
I can't use it any more
It's getting dark, too dark to see
I'm feelin' like I'm knocking on Heaven's door

Knock, knock, knocking on Heaven's door
Knock, knock, knocking on Heaven's door
Knock, knock, knocking on Heaven's door
Knock, knock, knocking on Heaven's door

Mama, put my guns in the ground
I can't shoot them any more
That long cold black cloud is coming down
I'm feelin' like I'm knocking on Heaven's door

Knock, knock, knocking on Heaven's door
Knock, knock, knocking on Heaven's door
Knock, knock, knocking on Heaven's door, ooh yeah
Knock, knock, knocking on Heaven's door

Baby stay right here with me
'Cause I can't see you anymore
This ain't the way it's supposed to be
I feel I'm knocking on heaven's door

Son won't you remember me?
I can't be with you anymore
A lawman's life is never free
I feel I'm knocking on heaven's door

 

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