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#1 thismoment

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 11:56 PM

http://www.madinamer...n-acknowledged/

 

http://naturopathicm...u-brain-damage/


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:32 AM

Wow...I am so discouraged! Dr. Shipko's opinion/experience of people stopping SSRI's after 10 years is disheartening for this maimed soldier of misfortune...I have had a total of 4 hours sleep, 2 Monday & 2 Tuesday & am at the brink of despair. I was bedridden being on cymbalta, xanax, adderall, methadone, percocet & lunesta & faced with leftover scraps of a long, abusive marriage & needing strength to see a divorce attorney. Thus, started the down dosing off the meds. I shouldn't even be posting as I can't seem to put words to paper to get out my frustrations, sadness & pain. Having no sleep only compounds the situation I know. I'm wondering if I should seek out an addiction specialist for help as I have no desire to see the psych or pain mgt drs. that prescribed all this medication.

I have tried every 'home remedy' for sleep since stopping the C to no avail. What is the point of continuing this recovery after reading what I had been wondering about the long term use? Still have all the meds in a safe, in case there was some nuclear fallout I suppose, & now I'm ready to just say f it & take a Lunesta or 2 & maybe throw a few methadone for good measure to get one full night of sleep & re-evaluate this tomorrow.

Not sure why You didn't add some of your thoughts on the link...maybe you thought it would speak for itself:/

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:35 AM

Sorry, that last line came out all wrong...thanks for the link. It is helpful

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 07:46 AM

TM, excellent articles... I'm re-reading both of them now .... would you cross-post these over in the "Cymbalta in the news" forum where we keep/put the research articles that we find? They're worth having highlighted for others to find run across more easily ...

In Mad in America site has some good content ... In this article, Shipko is a bit more gloomy than I feel about my own experience ... again, each of us is different ... but I did/do find tryptophan helpful ... with sleep, and for general calming/anti-anxiety ... didn't help when I had my major attack in early June, but when I'm doing basically "OK" I feel that it helps ... again, if just a placebo effect, I'm just fine with that ... ;-)

I tried SAM-e years ago for depression, and it did nothing for me... and it was really expensive, if I recall ...

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:17 AM

just read the "mad in america" article. it is pretty scary, especially the idea that agitation symptoms may return or first manifest years after getting off SSRI's. i realize shipko's info is anecdotal, but wht i see time after time is people going through withdrawal who describe many of the same symptoms. again, as has been pointed out multiple times on this board, those of us who were taking C and related anti-d's for depression are often told by our p-docs, "that's the depression coming back." i get how they could come to that conclusion. HOWEVER, when those with no history of depression who were taking C for pain have the exact same symptoms when in withdrawal - there's something more there than depression relapse.

 

i am very interested in his comparison of tardive (late or delayed onset) dyskenisia (movement disorder) with anti-psychotics to what he has observed in those on ssri's or in withdrawal and refers to as tardive akasthesia (agitated anxious/depressed state). that sure describes a major complaint on this forum and others. i've seen TD in action and its well known that once it starts the damage is done. he also mentioned that manufacturers themselves report TD as a rare side effect of an ssri. i've seen that in literature. while i am not aware of any cases of TD as a side effect of ssri's maybe they need to look into the idea of TA as well. i get the impression the latter term is not in the medical lexicon at this point. i guess that they can't ignore TD - its pretty obvious with the cases which are so bad the symptoms mimic the jerky movements of tourette's.

 

he doesn't mentioned snri's, but its not hard to extend the connection to the obvious.

 

i also appreciate that he isn't making a blanket judgement against the drugs and recognizes their benefts. certainly much more research must be done to gather the quantity of data required for conclusive results. as shipko said, its about "informed consent"at this point because we don't have the data. 

 

here's hoping we are the lucky ones who survive and move on


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:28 AM

Well said, Bryzghoff ... I agree!



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