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[fishinghat]

Valsartan

http://www.druginfor...l symptoms.html
45 Reports to FDA on withdrawal symptoms. Please note the 6.7% death rate.
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https://www.ehealthm...rawal-syndrome/
20,086 people reported to have side effects when taking Valsartan.
Among them, 36 people (0.18%) have Withdrawal syndrome
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http://www.medicatio...ovan-withdrawal

Abrupt Diovan Withdrawal

Posted over a year ago
what is your advice for the rate at which i should end my treatment with diovan? is it ok to just abruptly stop? shoud i taper off? im on 160mg once a day. thanks

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Dman11111 - what did you end up doing with the diovan \ive been taping off and the feeling is wonderful yes my bp is high again but im going to try alternative nature stuff the side effects were almost killing me now everything is reversing unfornatly the bp is higher again
Posted over a year ago - Reply

Garrettgla - i cannot tell you how dizzy i was on the diovan. i asked the dr. she said taper off over 2 days and immediately go back on the atenolol 25mg. older medication. i did and i gotta tell u i feel so much better. it's cheap too. its keeping my blood pressure low too. so im happy. sorry i waited so long to go off the diovan.
Posted over a year ago - Reply

Debgibsonmt - After a year and ahalf of taking diovan trying to get off is a nightmare. Blood pressure totally erratic even though all blood test show extremely low cholesteral and a CRP of less than 1. So, diovan is extremely addictive and the body seems to loose it's ability to regulate it's own blood pressure. Which, I'm sure, is what the drug company's want.
Posted over a year ago - Reply

Dman11111 - Yes i agree. I am now on the generic of diovan. Because the drug comanies are trying to save money. It is painfully impossible to try and quit diovan. Im sooo glad someone actually agreed with me that it is highly addictive. It would take months for the body to go back to its own regualtion....let me know if you successfully quit ....i found the withdrawl to hard to take. At least right now. Maybee with time i can figure out an alternative. Once again. Highly addictive .......and they will tell you its not! We are living it!!!
Posted over a year ago - Reply
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https://www.peoplesp...-a-new-scandal/
Report on the falsifying of data on Valsartan in order to get FDA approval. Five life threatening side effects were hidden.
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https://www.accessda...1283s018lbl.pdf
Abrupt withdrawal of valsartan has not been associated
with a rapid increase in blood pressure.
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http://www.medicatio...thdrawal-diovan

Abrupt Withdrawal From Diovan

Posted over a year ago
My Doctor said it was OK to stop taking Diovan which I had been on for nearly two years because I had bad side effects.
I started to get chest pain/angina(?) Should he have told me to taper off the dose?
No answer received.
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I found NO scientific articles dealing with the subject.

[fishinghat]

Hi GL. Congratulations!! What an accomplishment. 

 

You are doing great.

[fishinghat]

Hi Gardenlady.

Teva has had a problem ever since they went into business. Poor quality meds, meds not in spec, plant shutdowns so lack of consistent supplies, etc.

As far as other generics and the bead situation, I am not sure how many beads are in each manufacturers products. Ihat information is 'proprietary' on their drug insert. I will see what I can come up with my doing a search.

As far as a PM. Click on my name and that will take you to my profile. At the top right hand part of the page it says "send me a message". Click that and you are in business.

[fishinghat]

OK, here is what I found mentioned by members on our site.

Lupin - 7 -12 large beads
Solco - 146 - 157 beads
Prasco - "Large number of beads"
Teva - Approximately 315 beads
Breckenridge - Unknown
Citron - Small beads, approximately 300+
Devo - 150 beads
Apotex - various size beads in each capsule as well as various number of beads.

I hope this helps.

[gail]

Good to see you Gardenlady!

[fishinghat]

No I don't but I can find out. Be back soon.

[fishinghat]

Those that say yes after the brand name are available in the USA.

Lupin - 7 -12 large beads Yes
Solco - 146 - 157 beads Yes
Prasco - "Large number of beads" Yes
Teva - Approximately 315 beads Yes
Breckenridge - Unknown Yes
Citron - Small beads, approximately 300+ Yes
Devo - 150 beads Europe
Apotex - various size beads in each capsule as well as various number of beads. Yes

[fishinghat]

Building tolerance to hydroxyzine is very rare but can happen. Remember hydroxyzine is an antihistamine so should not be taken with doxylamine. I have never had a problem with hydroxyzine pooping out but I have known one other person on this site that had that issue. The rest did not build tolerance. No wonder drs pull their hair out!! You never kn ow how a person will react.

As far as suggestions for your situation is concerned. I would definitely go on hold with any more tapering until you begin to stabilize. Continuing on is asking for trouble as things will only get worse. Time and patience.

[fishinghat]

To give you an idea how bad Cymbalta withdrawal can be we have had members that dropped one bead every 3 to 4 days in order to wean with tolerable withdrawal symptoms but a six month wean is common for sure and they still have symptoms, especially during the last 3 or 4 grams. Nasty stuff.

[fishinghat]

It is unusual gardenlady but it does happen. Some people are just more sensitive then others. I know some have taken almost a year to wean to deal with the withdrawal symptoms and others have switched to an ssri, stabilized and then tapered off of that. It is really a personal choice. No right or wrong answer.
 
Some times when I start getting scared of the road ahead I just stay at my current dose until I feel better and my confidence improves. These AD withdrawals markedly effect two areas of the brain. The amygdala and the hippocampus. These areas control fear and panic and OCD. Once they become impacted the worries, doubts, uncertainties and fears greatly increase. If you stabilize for a while the mind begins to return to normal.

[gail]

Hi Gardenlady,

First part is for Fishinghat.

Second part of second part,I understand real good what it is. Look up, and just say, I want to pray but I can't. God hears you. Do not worry, just the wanting is enough for Him. But at the same time, it's painful not to be able to sense his presence. As we speak, I'll take the time to pray for you.

[fishinghat]

"I'm just shy of 6 months off of the benzo, so really am in early stages since it seems to take 1 - 2 years for people to go through benzo withdrawal."

True and it may be contributing some even if you don't have benzo withdrawal symptoms any more.

Some people have a hard time even at the high doses. I remember one member that had to do a 1 bead drop,out of 300+ beads, every day from the beginning. It took her a while but she got through it. You can too. This is not a race but a game of patience. Stay at 38 mg until stable and then go much slower. Time and patience.

You might also find this interesting.
https://www.thoughtc...ith-fear-701283

[gail]

Hello Gardenlady,

Thank you for your nice words. Stuck at 37mg. Since I'm here, I don't recall anyone that was stuck there. You are in my prayers.

If I remember correctly, you are on hormone therapy? Only oestrogen? What form? All this out of curiosity. As I remember, the progesterone made me so depressed. Not in the beginning, it was a blessing, at the end, I stopped it. I have my uterus, but I continue the oestrogen patch just the same. I cut it so it's about 10 instead of 50. I take it for night sweats. My mom had them till she died at 80.

Fishinghat, what about cross tapering? I'm in a bind here. Thank God that you are there. Love.

[fishinghat]

Hi GardenLady

I don't think you will be able to wean faster the further you get from the benzos. Matter of fact given the effects you get now from a 1 mg drop I would go to 1/2 mg drops or even less. Maybe a 0.5% drop instead of 2.5%. I hate to see you torture yourself any more than necessary.

I thank you for the kind words. I just wish I could take this burden away from everyone.

[juli]

Hi GardenLady,

I am sorry that you are going through this.  The cross-taper did get me off of the Cymbalta and on to Lexapro but now I am on another journey with stabilizing and tapering off of that.  I believe that there is no easy answer but just a matter of choice.  I was having a tremendous amount of PTSD from my bad taper off of Cymbalta so I felt like I just needed to be off of it.  The Lexapro taper will not be a cake walk and I plan on it taking a year.

Praying for you,

Juli

[fishinghat]

You don't need to apologize. That is a stage we all have to go through. Slow is good. Just hang in there Gardenlady.

[gail]

Gardenlady,

If it's of any consolation, know that your name is on my wall of daily prayers.

I can't remember if you have fibromyalgia, my mind can hold so much! Have you seen any improvement since the beginning of the taper? Questions and questions, no need to answer if you're not up to it.

You are right, slower pace.

[fishinghat]

Hey GardenLady. Be sure and wait at least 3 months after coming off the Cymbalta before trying to reduce the HRT. Studies have shown that it takes that long for the hormone levels to stabilize after quitting Cymbalta.