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#1 sparkybird

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 06:09 AM

I just got off a website called “The Road Back Program”. This is a program written by Jim Harper. In the program they suggest three supplements you can take during the program and a “complete” guide on withdrawal. The website for the supplements is: shop.neurogeneticsolutions.com. The website is TheRoad Back Program.

I guess what I’m looking for here is anyone experience with this guide and the use of these supplements.

My brain zaps and headaches and nightmares are bad. They only happen at night and I’m just trying to find help I guess I hoping these supplements will help.

I have gotten so much help from you fishhat.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 08:34 AM

"My brain zaps and headaches and nightmares are bad."

Motion Sickness/DizzinessNausea OTC

3/16/18
Dimenhydrinate - an antihistamine - Tell your doctor or pharmacist if you are taking other products that cause drowsiness such as opiod pain or cough relievers (such as codeine, hydrocodone), alcohol, drugs for sleep or anxiety (such as alprazolam, lorazepam, zolpidem), muscle relaxants (such as carisoprodol, cyclobenzaprine), or other antihistamines (such as cetirizine, diphenhydramine, hydroxyzine).

Dramamine
71 member mentions.... 62 positive, 7 no help, 2 intermittent help, 13 says causes sleepiness,
Helps with lightheadedness, jolts, dizzy spells, sleep, nausea, brain swooshes, calming, motion sickness, brain zaps, Sloshy head, and anxiety.

Caution - some members state that "dramamine did..." but as listed below there is a difference in ingredients and dosing for different kinds of dramamine. Please follow label directions. Dimenhydrinate is available in 98 products approved in the USA other than dramimine so please check label ingedients before using with other products.Nearly all nausea, cold, flu, sleep aides and dizziness medicines contain antihistamines and are incompatable with each other. Check ingredient list closely.
Seven members admit to taking two or more of these products at the same time OR taking double doses. This has lead to comments like...

"...and chucked my guts all day"

"and afterward had stomach cramps for hours"

Sarah noted "Dramamine II (not the original Dramamine) contains the same active ingredient as Bonine. Some places also sell generic Meclizine and I have found it at CVS. Some very closely related drugs are buclizine, and cyclizine.

Some brand names that contain meclizine, buclizine, or orcyclizine are:
Bonine
Bonamine
Dramamine II
Marezine
Marzine
Meclicot
Medivert"

These drugs Will NOT contribute to Serotonin Syndrome.

Tips from members -
1) Careful with the Benadryl and the Dramamine together. (causes you to be sick)
Also one member warned of 'DO NOT take both NyQuil and Dramamine.... '
2) Be careful taking dramamine during the day - it knocks me out!
3) Dramamine can also be doubled up at the initial dose. It all depends on your size and what you may or may not be sensitive to.
4) ORIGINAL FORMULA DRAMAMINE. (NOT THE NONDROWSY), just hypes you up and makes the dizziness worse.)
5) One said it can cause nightmares.
6) One said it does not cause nightmares
7) So, I was taking this ginger gravol and it did nothing for my nausea. I started taking half of a regular gravol (same as Dramamine) and its finally working
8) 2 said - the ginger gravol version does not cause sleepiness
9) if taken on a regular basis, it stops working

Contents:

Original Dramamine - Active Ingredient (in each tablet) Dimenhydrinate 50 mg.
Dramamine Motion Sickness Relief Less Drowsey Formula - Active Ingredient (in each tablet) Meclizine HCI 25 mg.
Dramamine Non-Drowsy Naturals with Natural Ginger - Active ingredients - Ginger 1000 mg.Take 2 capsules; do not take more than 4 capsules in 24 hours.
Dramamine All Day Less Drwsy Tab Size 8 Ct Dramamine Less Drwsy - Extended release Meclizine 25 mg.

Safety Warning
Do not give to children under 2 years of age unless directed by a doctor.
Ask a doctor before use if you have:
A breathing problem such as emphysema or chronic bronchitis.
Glaucoma.
Trouble urinating due to an enlarged prostate gland.
Ask a doctor or pharmacist before use if you are taking sedatives or tranquilizers.
When using this product:
Marked drowsiness may occur.
Avoid alcoholic drinks.
Alcohol, sedatives, and tranquilizers may increase drowsiness.
Be careful when driving a motor vehicle or operating machinery.
If pregnant or breast-feeding, ask a doctor before use.
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Meclizine

Taken for headaches, nausea, dizziness, brain zaps.
Meclizine (an antihistamine) is available in 104 products approved in the USA other than Bonine so please check label ingedients before using with other products.

Will NOT contribute to Serotonin Syndrome.

Tell your doctor about all medicines you use, and those you start or stop using during your treatment with meclizine, especially the antidepressants bupropion, duloxetine, fluoxetine, paroxetine, or sertraline.

Using meclizine together with duloxetine may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, confusion, and difficulty concentrating. Some people, especially the elderly, may also experience impairment in thinking, judgment, and motor coordination. (Drugs.com)

15 members have used this product, 6 positive, 4 negative, 4 helps intermittantly.

2 said it makes them sleepy/groggy.

Common side effects include blurred vision, dry mouth, constipation, dizziness, drowsiness, headache, vomiting, or tiredness.

Before using this medication, tell your doctor or pharmacist your medical history, especially of: breathing problems (such as asthma, emphysema), high pressure in the eye (glaucoma), heart problems, high blood pressure, seizures, stomach/intestine problems (such as ulcers, blockage), overactive thyroid (hyperthyroidism), difficulty urinate, liver problems, kidney problems.
Bonine - Active ingredients (in each tablet) Meclizine HCI 25 mg.

Rugby Travel Med - Meclizine HCI 25 mg and they contain the artificial sweetener Aspartame, also contains Phenylalanine 0.28 mg per tablet (can cause anxiety and nervousness in some people

Truck Princess commented that "I have found that taking the Rugby travel sickness med 25mg took away ALL my withdrawal symptoms for the majority. I don't get any brain zaps, dizziness, head swooshing, none of that. Also with the Rugby it's 24hrs so you only take one or two. The Rugby I took because of the nausea was so bad and just discovered it really got rid of most of the withdrawals and I didn't get the crying spells like you and others have."

This may partly be due to the fact it also contains Phenylalanine which other members report as helping their symptoms. See cold and flu medicine section.

Caution - Many of the above products contain Lactose, a concern if you are lactose intolerant. They may also contain artificial colors that may irritate the nervous system and artificial sweeteners that can irritate the stomach in some people.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 08:36 AM

Programs
http://www.theroadba...withdrawal.aspx
The Road Back is put out by the Church of Scientology

http://www.cymbaltaw...tion#entry45468
http://www.cymbaltaw..."the road back"
Discussions and information on the Road Back program.

http://www.cymbaltaw...book#entry44953
A discussion and information on TheRoadBackProgram.

Tinajuli - something that might be a joke, I don't know: Have you heard about The Road Back Programme? It might be just using the desperation of people who feel very silly afterwards but I thought screw it and ordered the stuff. They advise to take a supplement that kind of calms the reactions that take place in your body as soon as you take an anti-depressant, and when you go into withdrawal. It has to do with the JNK gene. (If you know whether that company is a joke, let me know!) What are ALA supplements? I really need something to help me with that fatigue, because work gets really hard when you're constantly extremely tired.

LadyNancy - I know someone who used The Road Back program to try to get off of Cymbalta and the last time I had any contact with her she was doing everything the book said to do and taking all the supplements and still not off it so unless you just like to pray a lot then in my opinion you should just go out and buy some Omega 3, a good Vitamin B complex and drink lots of water.
I haven't found anyone who had severe symptoms that found the program very helpful in actually getting through withdrawal symptoms.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 11:47 AM

I found that resource as well, and I looked at the supplements they recommended.  There are other companies that market supplement blends, or even the raw components so you could prepare your own.  Reading the composition of the supplements, there seems to be a lot of "fluff" that has not been examined yet, or found to be ineffective for what it is being used for.  I also feel the amounts contained in the blend are not consistent with recommended dosages that may have been examined in research.  Also, the Neuro Day supplement contains both ashwagandha and St. John's wort.  Personally, I may have an allergy to St. John's Wort from experiences I had taking it in my youth, and if you have a ragweed allergy, you shouldn't take ashwagandha.

 

What I am doing is making a list.  I looked up vitamins and supplements that are supposed to help with peripheral neuropathy (since this is my main complaint), and with withdrawal.  WebMD is a good resource, it also indicates if the supplement has found to be likely effective, possibly effective, or ineffective, along with any known side effects or reactions. Once you have an idea what vitamins or herbals may be beneficial and the recommended dose, then you can look for which supplier sells it to meet your needs.  In the end, I might end up making my own blend and purchasing the raw powders to make capsules.

 

 

I just got off a website called “The Road Back Program”. This is a program written by Jim Harper. In the program they suggest three supplements you can take during the program and a “complete” guide on withdrawal. The website for the supplements is: shop.neurogeneticsolutions.com. The website is TheRoad Back Program.

I guess what I’m looking for here is anyone experience with this guide and the use of these supplements.

My brain zaps and headaches and nightmares are bad. They only happen at night and I’m just trying to find help I guess I hoping these supplements will help.

I have gotten so much help from you fishhat.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:40 PM

Ah, sk8r, you got it figure out. You have to research those things carefully. So many are not thoroughly tested. By the way don't take St. John's Wort with Cymbalta or any other ssri/snri as there is a significant risk of serotonin syndrome.


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 08:59 AM

Hi sparkybird...

 

Don't know if this matters to you, but The Road Back is put out by the Church of Scientology - Just an FYI


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:43 AM

Hi folks. Thanks for all the wonderful advice. By the wat, I did not go with the road back home. I am now on 16 beads. Wow have I come a long way. It’s been a year. I am reducing once every 7 days just one bead which is starting to now give me slight brain zaps and occasional anxiety. I get through the zaps but when anxiety gets too bad I take One (1) l-thiamine (100 mg).

I am wondering what I can do if the brain zaps and anxiety increase. Any suggestions would be great .

I have a target date of last bead set for September. I am hoping I don’t have to slow down even more.

Fishinghat I just want to thank you again for your help during this past year.

Oh just a side note. My psychiatrist is not seeing me any more. She “feels” I am doing a great job. “No thanks to her”

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 02:14 PM

"I am wondering what I can do if the brain zaps and anxiety increase. Any suggestions would be great ."

I would suggest go back up one bead and then when stable drop 1 bead every two weeks. There are a lot of things you can take for the zaps. "And the answer to your question is..." in Medical support lists several OTC meds that can help this symptom.

You are welcome Sparkybird. You ARE doing great. keep up the good work!!

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 07:18 PM

Thanks for the support fishinghat. I certainly did any help from the medical people. All the psychologist said was that my case was unusual and did bother to find out more. You’re a miracle.



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