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[Junior]

OMG you have been through a horrible, horrible time. I can totally understand how you feel about the medical profession. However, a large part of the problem is that THEY don't know about the withdrawal effects of these drugs. They are told that 'discontinuation syndrome' lasts only 2-3 weeks. I've since found out that people can be fine then suffer a wave of withdrawal effects several MONTHS down the track. IMO modern antidepressants, SSRIs and SNRIs (such as Cymbalta) are causing so much trouble to so many people, that eventually the medical profession will wake up and find out they've got zillions of patients who are addicted to them. They are becoming the modern day "valium". AND they've been prescribed for all sorts of things for which they are not designed.

Hope things improve for you soon :)
Junior

PS - I have yet to face all of this. I switched from Aropax (Paxil) earlier this year (after being on it for 10 yrs) to Lexapro, then to Cymbalta and now back to Paxil. I now know that I am addicted to SSRI's and the thought of having to go through this scares the life out of me. But I have a dilemma - I've already suffered from 5 episodes of depression in my life (I'm 47) and have generalised anxiety disorder. I don't want to go back to living that way either...

[Junior]

5 years??????????????????????????? My god..... I don't blame you for hating the medical profession.

What drugs have you been on Tabby?

[Junior]

"When I was seeing the one doctor I was on...

Effexor can't remember dosage
Wellbutrin 300mg/day
Seroquil can't remember dosage, I've spoken to some of her patients, and she uses this as a sleeping pill for most of them
Prozac 10mg/day
Atavan (as needed)"

OMG. What the hell is wrong with these doctors? You should NOT have been on Effexor and Prozac at the same time, for a start. Effexor is similar to Cymbalta, it alters both serotonin and norepinephrine. Prozac ALSO alters serotonin. I'm not a Dr so I can't be 100% sure but I don't think you are supposed to be on 2 such similar drugs at the same time. No wonder you've suffered from what you think may be serotonin syndrome. My god....

I believe Wellbutron mainly works on the GABA system which is a different neurotransmitter altogether and is the one that benzodiazepines work on as well. It calms the nervous system.

Seroquel, I've heard many Americans mention that one. Just double checked. It's an anti-psychotic O_O and is a derative of the benzodiazepines. One can only wonder what sort of interaction that would have with the Wellbutrin... wtf?

Ativan is another benzo. None of the benzos are meant for long term use as they are highly addictive.

Woweeeeeeeee what a cocktail. No wonder you've had so many 'side effects'. I can't see how it is even ethical to allow a psychiatrist to prescribe such a cocktail. What happened to the 'do no harm' premise?

I also can't believe that your most recent Dr wanted to add Wellbutrin to the Cymbalta. Seems obvious to me that not only were you probably exhibiting side effects from the Cymbalta, but also withdrawal symptoms from the other drugs you've been on.

I can also relate to wanting to take your own life. Believe it or not, I felt like that just 3 weeks ago. I had only just started my new job and in the 2nd week had to take a day off because I'd only been able to sleep 2 1/2 hours. That morning I actually counted out 10 Temazepam (sleeping tabs) and took them into my bedroom with a glass of water. I didn't want to kill myself but I wanted help and didn't know how to go about getting it. I thought I was back in a state of depression - I now know that it was chemically induced and that it was a withdrawal symptom. Like you I was fed up with all the ups and downs, mental and physical symptoms..and I was never on a cocktail like you. So I can only imagine how hard this has been for you.

You are entitled to grieve for what you think you have lost - your intellect (which is still very much there btw, even if you don't it; i can see it in the way you write), your energy, your hobbies and your life. Just don't lose hope that you can find a 'new life' - because you can. You have already started on the road - by making the decision to get off these drugs. You may not be the person you were before. You will probably emerge stronger - believe it or not. I say that because - drugs aside - in a lot of ways you are where I was at when I was coming to the end of IVF treatment. I never thought I would get past that (there will always be times when it hurts) but I did. You will too :)

Junior

[Junior]

Maybe I should do mine! LOL!! (time line I mean)

Seriously, have you EVER had proper therapy? Or have you only ever been given pills? Because the pills won't help you to come to terms with any issues which affect you. They only deal with the chemical imbalance. Grrrrrrrrrrr... I hate Drs who don't suggest therapy. I went to psychiatrist a few months ago myself and he told me he doesn't believe in psychology!! If psychology isn't important, why do we have emotions at all?????????????? For crying out loud....

I'm glad writing things out is helping you to get things into perspective. I love timelines. One time I was seeing a psychologist (IVF related) and I'd had a lot of non-IVF stuff happening. I presented her with a list of things that had been happening .. all in a lovely neat timeline...and she told me that if it was anyone else, she'd have dialing 000 (the aussie version of 911)!!!!!!!!!!!

How's this for a timeline?
1990 - my son born (best thing that has ever happened to me)
1992 - had tests done to find out why i wasn't getting pregnant again; told I have 'extensive adhesions' and that it would be difficult to conceive again
1993 - began a round of appts and testing to find out why our son was developmentally delayed - had to put my fertility prob on the backburner
1994 - autism and developmental delay diagnosed; ovarian cyst removed but managed to retain the ovary
1995 - first IVF attempt - failed; frozen embryo thawed and transferred, failed
1996 - another frozen embryo attempt failed; 2nd fully stimulated cycle - failed
1997 - winter of hell - fell ill suddenly, landed in hospital, adhesions had looped around part of my bowel; major behavioural probs with son - ended up having to put him on medication for totally out of control ADHD (the out of control bit was due to me having spent over 2 weeks in hospital); in one month had cat put down, had son's adhd diagnosed, then i was diagnosed with anxious-depression
1998 - weaned off a/d to attempt another IVF cycle - suffered ovarian hyperstimulation and was not allowed to have the embryos transferred; completely fell apart - back on a/ds and in therapy
1999 - still in therapy - came off a/ds to attempt a frozen embryo transfer.. failed... decided it was time to quit IVF and after a couple of months break.. started studying.. ended therapy

From 2000-end of 2008 .. studied and was generally happy
2009 - moved house, switched a/ds 3 times.. threw my body / brain into chaos .. started a new job (part time)

The therapy I had did a lot for me. I was seeing both the IVF psychologist (free of charge to those on the program) and a psychiatrist who is also a psychologist. I got different things from both of them and both helped me enormously. I changed as a person, got stronger actually. And I haven't look backed tbh. Even though I have to decide what to do about my medication, I don't feel like I'm going to fall apart like I did back then. The issues aren't as powerful. Mind you, I have to go through proper withdrawal.......

Junior

[Junior]

BTW..did you switch straight from Zoloft to Effexor? Can I ask why you stayed on Zoloft so long?

[MaureenV]

"but the jerk actually looked at my husband and asked "Are you sure you want to have a child with her?"



That's not just rude, unprofessional and well beyond the scope of the problem FOR WHICH YOU EMPLOYED HIM (for I find some tend to forget that) but can be one of those comments that shapes your life.

I've never had anything remotely as bad as that said to me, or of me, but I know some of the things I've stewed over, and if it had been anywhere near as bad as that, it would have permanently altered the way I saw myself.

It's almost criminal.


Maureen.

[Junior]

I had tried to go off of the Zoloft. After I left my ex (1997) I got down to the 50 mg, but couldn't shake that last 50mg, so I just stayed on it. I wasn't having any side effects, and if I go off the Cymbalta and can't handle it, I'll go back on the Zoloft. And yes, I switched immediately from Zoloft to Effexor.

Wow, that's quite the time-line you've got. We've talked about children, but I'll be 43 next month and he's 50, so there's concerns there. Also with everything going on, our relationship is in the toilet. I'm seeing a therapist now, on Tuesdays for myself, then again on every second Saturday for the relationship. Good thing it's low cost.

It's interesting. So many people can get down to a low dose of whatever they are on yet really struggle to come off it completely. Even my naturopath talked about this!! Did you come off Effexor before going on to Cymbalta? Or have you been on a/ds since 1992?

The decision of whether or not to have children is a huge one. I know people who decided NOT to...and despite my own history.. I am quite happy for them. As long as they are sure that's what they want. I think it's better not to bring unwanted children into the world. It's good that you are having both individual and couple therapy. You have a lot of stuff to work through. Maybe having kids just isn't going to be part of your life? Just keep believing that things will get better. As you can see from my time line...it can be done. For me, going back to school was the best thing I ever did. Even now, I know that I will want to be in the workforce for.. well I don't know really.. I just know that I won't have grandchildren and that I need a purpose. My interest in helping people with mental health problems - even if I'm not a therapist - gives me that. And when I"m not working...there's always volunteer work.

Junior

[nursedeborah]

madtabby,
so sorry to hear all the crap that you have had to go through. I don't know how I have misssed all
these posts. Just goes to show you how my brain is working.

I hated doctors when I was a nurse. They would just go in their rooms, and stay a few seconds, and
leave it up to us nurses to explain everything. Basically that's how it has always been where I am.

Then after I ended up on the otherside of the table and had to be a patient, I never knew just what
kind of heel that you all had to go through.

I am so sick, and tired of not being believed. I kept telling my pd that I could have a bowel movement, and
he just kept saying it was due to the meds I was on. Well my other doc sent me to a specialist, and low
and behold that's when I found out that I had a neurogentic bowel/bladder due to the surgeon snipping
my L5 S1 nerve when he did my back surgery!!!! I was not constipated, I didn't have the ability to go on my
own! I was numb from the waist to my rear, and my back was as well. I had told them all this, but no one
ever would listen.

God it's been 4 years this month since that day I had that surgery, and my life was ruined. Then add the
Cymbalta, and now the withdrawls. I too have at times thought about killing myself, but have not
done so because of my animals, and didn't want to have my daughtter find such a thing. I didn't really
want to die as much as I wanted out of the pain, and misery i was having. There was also so much else
going on at the time, way too much!!

This sounds stupid, but i do feel like I have been keeping the real me a secret from all of you, up until
now. I have so much that I do need to talk about, yet fear being judged.

I just hope that junior is right that we will get on the other side of all of this. I just want my life back
I am so tired of feeeling the way i feel all because of what these meds have done to me!!

I can remember when I was in school for my counseling degree, and that was in 1988. They said that
antidepressants were just a bandaid, while a person was in therapy, that needed them to help them
over that hard time. Not just to be given out so freely myy all doctors like they are today.

Debbie

[Junior]

Debbie

My god.. I can't believe what happened to your back and therefore your bowels. It also annoys the crap out of me to hear that Drs weren't listening to you. FFS women KNOW. We are NOT neurotic, we KNOW. Why do these Drs think they know better? Thankfully mine isn't like that. He'd rather do tests and be thorough.

Interesting comment about anti-depressants being a band aid. I wouldn't quite put it like that but it makes sense that they are ONE part of a treatment regime. That comment was made in the days when (i guess) tricyclics were the main depression meds so I guess they weren't given out as much. Your DR was right though. They should not be given out to all and sundry. I think the reason it has gone that way is because they didn't think they were addictive. It is taking time to sink into the thick / dense brains of many drs out there that they ARE... but the message WILL get through in time.. because there is going to be an epidemic of people like us. *shivers* I don't even want to imagine ....

Debbie, please don't feel like anyone here is going to judge you. It took a lot of courage for you to admit that you were once hooked on heroin, yet no one judged you then, so why would we now? You've talked about being a recovering alcoholic too. I for one am certainly not going to judge you (I don't believe in it for a start) because I don't know what happened for you to end up in that situation. What I do know, from having talked to you on here, is that you are a kind and helpful person. So often you put aside your own problems and try to support others when really, you have enough to deal with yourself! It is up to you whether you want to tell us more or not... just know that we are here to support you. I certainly am since that is precisely why I studied psychology!!

I think we HAVE to believe that things will get better. I know when I was going through first the diagnosis of my son's autism, and then the years of doing IVF that I felt I was on this narrow path (trying to be on the 'right' one) but had to constantly navigate my way around these huge boulders. I never thought I would get to the end of the boulders.. but I did. And my uni years were really good to me. Also, it is known that if we think positive, we can actually alter our brain chemistry. People have been known to heal themselves of cancer by using methods such as meditation and positive thinking!!! I"m not sure I could do that but you get the idea...

Hope that helps
Junior

[SarahT]

I understand exactly how you feel about these drs. my hubby was going to a pain clinic for his neck and they had him on like 13 different meds in them was cymbalta,tramadol,and amatripoline. He had taken himself off most of them and was on Cymbalta left for the most part and then the sceziurs. now he is on citalapram @4o mg and amitryptolins and aprazolam (to different kinds) and he tells me it can not be seratonin syndrum because it is overdiagnosed

[Junior]

Sarah,

Good to see that hubby is down to 40mg of the CItalopram. As for amitryptline, it's a tricyclic so shouldn't directly affect serotonin. The other one sounds like an anti-anxiety tab...not an anti-depressant. Those three together should be ok............ for now. It's what has happened in the past that is the problem. Plus too much switching, probably....

How's the writing coming along?

Junior

[SarahT]

actually from what a web sit I read there is a problem between them go to

http://www.drug.com

then search up CITALOPRAM and look at drug interactions

under major ones is Amitryptiline

[nursedeborah]

Sarah,
That does not suprise me at all his being on a med that it say's else where that they
should not be taken together. Doctor's!!!

It just now hit me that I told my doc about the TV commerical on Cymbalta, and it said
if your taking anything for migraines it could be fatal, and he just blew it off, but evey
time I saw that commerical this horrible feeling would go through me. I knew deep inside
then I should not be on this stuff, yet couldn't think my way out of anything to get me off it.
That doesn't make much sense, but I get it,lol.

Now that I think about all the stuff that this drug did to me while I was on it, and did tell
the doctor's yet none of them listened to me, just a nut, she takes psych meds.

Oh by the way your husband is on Xanax, that works great for anxiety, but it has a very
very short half life. I am suprised they didn't give him Klonipin which has a way longer
half life, and really would help so much more. It does take it about 20 min before you feel
it, but again it lasts so much longer, and keep the persons anxiety as bay for a longer time.
It can also be given a couple times a day, up to 4 times, but most do not need it that often.

What happenes with the other is it stops workingm they have to increase it, so I am just
wondering if the dose he has been on now for awhile is just nott helping his anxiety???
Guess you won't know as he won't answer you right?

As they say it will get better, and I really believe that.

Love,
Debbie

[nursedeborah]

Sarah,

Good to see that hubby is down to 40mg of the CItalopram. As for amitryptline, it's a tricyclic so shouldn't directly affect serotonin. The other one sounds like an anti-anxiety tab...not an anti-depressant. Those three together should be ok............ for now. It's what has happened in the past that is the problem. Plus too much switching, probably....

How's the writing coming along?

Junior

junior,
Your so smart!!! I am just so grateful that your here now all the time!
Anyway the other drug that Sarah's spouse is taking is Xanax, are you
familiar with this drug?

Came out in about 1984, and became very popular for anxiety, but also
became one that is highly abused, very addictive.
It has a very, very short half life, I know it comes on, and starts working
within a few minutes, and then does a poop out fast. So what eds up
happening is the person goes back to their doc, tells them the still have anxiety
they increase it, then repeat this until the person usually is eating them like candy.

They cause a rebound anxiety, that worse than the original anxiety, so the person
has to take more to get rid of those symptoms. It is another nasty drug to come off
of, and usually the person has to go into a treatment program to do so. One they
need to not be able to get to it, Two they need detox drugs while coming off of it.

That is not to say some can't do it on their own without treatment, but the odds are
they will be back where they started in no time, it's a brutal withdrawl. I don't think I
would pick that one over this, no they all are so awful, but this one takes the cake!!

Debbie

[Junior]

Hi Debbie

awww *blushes* fank you...
Aside from my own probs though, this is an area that really interests me. I'm always asking people what they are on (only after they tell me they are taking something though!) LOL!

Yeah, I thought it sounded like Xanax, I just couldn't be bothered checking :-p
I've taken Xanax in the past but only on an 'as needs' basis. That's how my former GP prescribed it and that's how I used it, so I never had a problem. I was horrified to read in recent months that people have been taking it regularly. What is wrong with these Drs? No wonder people in the USA are becoming so sceptical about Drs motives. I would too.

I'm considering Xanax for down the track. If I come off Paxil, my GAD will return and I need to work out a plan of how best to live with it. I'm thinking Xanax might be an option for those times when I feel it is about to get out of control... dunno yet. Need to speak with my psychiatrist who I will be seeing on Thursday.

GTG to work
Cheers
Junior

[nursedeborah]

junior,
I use Xanax, but like you said I follow the doctor's orders, in fact i don't even take it that much.
I seem to do fine with my tablet in the later part of the am, or sometimes it could be really late in
the day.

Being I do have GAD, I do make sure I take one if I have to go somewhere, but have been forgetting
a few times, and did so yesterday, and had to speak in fron of 100 people. I was really nervosu, but
once I got started, I did just fine. I just don't remember much of what I said, guess I dissicoiated a
bit there.

Have fun at work, wish I could work so much!

Debbie

[SarahT]

They have him on 4 one mg tablets 4x a day and a 2mg xr at bed time and they don't work

[nursedeborah]

Sarah,
He needs to go see his doctor. If that much Xanax is not helping him then something is wrong!
I have been on it for years, and I do know that that's a very high dose, and it should be doing
something. Maybe he is just not being honest with you? I hate to say something like that, but
again, I find that almost impossible that he's not getting ANY RELIEF AL ALL from taking that
amount.

He should go and be seen by someone, and be evaluated, again, he sounds to be getting worse
symptoms lately, his behavior is really changing. Just to be on the cautious side I would take him
in. He does have so much going on inside that he is having a hard time dealing with it all. No
job, no income, family to support. Men are just that way, they think they have to be the one
who takes care of his family, and brings in that paycheck. When they don't they feel like
real filures. Just wondering if this might be part of what's going on. Isn't he in weekly therapy?

Or at least you can call the doc, and tell him about his behavior the otherday at the party, and
also that the Xanax is not touching him at all!!! That may get his attention, his behavior sure
has mine, as does the meds not working at all.

Love,
Debbie

[SarahT]

He gets releaf but for so short of a time that is is like none at all.

he will feel it coming and take one after a bit it works and then the attack is gone it stops

I think hubys problem is that going down on citalopram is not only having the withdrawls form that bvbut thew cymbalta because the need that cymbalta ledt citalopram was barly feeding so now he is coming off both the cymbalta beast wants to be fedalong with the citalopram does this make sence

he was taken off cymbalta like this
120mg to 60 over night and stay on it for w week
60mg to 30mg overnight and stay on it for a week then
30mg to zero for a week and the withdrawls were so bad that we went to see dr and after only being off for a week was put on 20mg of citalopram for a week then the next week was on40mg then thennext montrh over the phone uped to 60mg then the next month uped to 80mg then after a week was to up it to 100mg but did not. took himself off 20mg so he was on 60mg and the dr took him off another 20mg so here we are at the 40mg. And as he comes off thing get bad.

make sence?

he has been on amitriptoline to help him sleep citalopram keeps him up and on a extended release xanax at bed time to stop the panic attacks that he gets at night but they don't work all night like they should.

sarah

[Junior]

junior,
I use Xanax, but like you said I follow the doctor's orders, in fact i don't even take it that much.
I seem to do fine with my tablet in the later part of the am, or sometimes it could be really late in
the day.

Being I do have GAD, I do make sure I take one if I have to go somewhere, but have been forgetting
a few times, and did so yesterday, and had to speak in fron of 100 people. I was really nervosu, but
once I got started, I did just fine. I just don't remember much of what I said, guess I dissicoiated a
bit there.

Have fun at work, wish I could work so much!

Debbie

You spoke in front of 100 people??????????????????????? Good ON you!
You have had such a rough time of things in recent years... I'm so proud of you.

GO DEBBIE!!!!!!!

Hmm..wonder if it's this feeling thing you've been doing???? Can I share? ;-p

Regarding the work thing: give yourself time. It will happen :)

[Junior]

Sarah

Unfortunately all these drugs are just screwing your poor hubby up even more. Gotta love the Drs - he's in withdrawal from his original drugs so what do they do? Add more drugs!

How long has been on the Xanax? The reason I"m asking is that I've heard many people talk about how addictive it is and I'd hate for your hubby to have to go through that as well as everything else he's going through. Plus, if it's not working, it's because his brain chemistry is all out of kilter. I had to go back onto my original dose of my original a/d - Paxil 40mg - just to stabilise...and I'm still having trouble sleeping. Sleeping tabs help but they don't work anywhere near as well as they have in the past. And they didn't do anything before I went back on the Paxil. I'd look at getting hubby off the Xanax as soon as you can and work at natural methods of calming his panic attacks...such as deep breathing.

Junior

[SarahT]

he has been on it since may.

we have tried the breathing and that has not been working. I know he is afraid to come off them well after the cymbalta withdrawls he is afraid to come off any meds.

[nursedeborah]

He gets releaf but for so short of a time that is is like none at all.

he will feel it coming and take one after a bit it works and then the attack is gone it stops


Sarah,
So it is working, but after the panic attack passes, the meds stop working. That's what I was saying about it having a very, very
short half life. It does come on real fast, and then it's just gone. This is also why I suggested that he see his doc, and try to get
him on a long acting anti-anxiety one, such as Klonopin. It takes a few more minutes to start working, but it does not stop working
for many hours after one has taken it.


I think hubys problem is that going down on citalopram is not only having the withdrawls form that bvbut thew cymbalta because the need that cymbalta ledt citalopram was barly feeding so now he is coming off both the cymbalta beast wants to be fedalong with the citalopram does this make sence

Sarah,
You kinda of lost me here, can you explain this a different way?


he was taken off cymbalta like this
120mg to 60 over night and stay on it for w week
60mg to 30mg overnight and stay on it for a week then
30mg to zero for a week and the withdrawls were so bad that we went to see dr and after only being off for a week was put on 20mg of citalopram for a week then the next week was on40mg then thennext montrh over the phone uped to 60mg then the next month uped to 80mg then after a week was to up it to 100mg but did not. took himself off 20mg so he was on 60mg and the dr took him off another 20mg so here we are at the 40mg. And as he comes off thing get bad.



Sarah,
I think that maybe either this med citalopram was helping, and that by him decreasing it himself, and then the doc doing it, he is probally having really awful withdrawls
right now!!! This really makes me so anygry, then over the phone the doc decreases it by another 20 mg, add he's already having a very difficult time withdrawling from the
Cymbalta, no wonder he's about to blow!! Talk about HATING DOC"S!!!!


make sence?

he has been on amitriptoline to help him sleep citalopram keeps him up and on a extended release xanax at bed time to stop the panic attacks that he gets at night but they don't work all night like they should.

Sarah
He really does need to be seen, but like I said before, write down all the new things that he's doing
like how he acted at the party the otherday, that is not normal behavior for him I am sure, or for any
one else. Just make sure you write it all down so that when you get in the doc's office you have it all
in front of you, and that way you won't forget anything that might really help the doctor. Heck I am
a old Psych Nurse, and if I can see this just from what you have said about him, and now how much
he has been changing so much recently, them his doc has to see it. They can't be that blind! Then
again, I know they are not always there for us either, but I just don't stop trying! It's yours and his
life! Also the kids, and something has to be done to help this man.



Sarah,
Like we have all found out the hard way, these doc's don't know how to decrease these meds to get us off of them, I am going to do some research on the one drug he's on 40 mg of now.

iIstill would take him in to be seen, screw any doc that does med decreases over the phone. What did you husbad give as the reason he wanted to get off of it???

Hang close, do you journal? If not they are a wonderful tool to get you feeling out of the body, and get them on paper, try it, and just see what happens. I know aai was so amazed when they had me finakky doing it for myself. it's very healing, no one ever get's to see it, so just wrie what what ever you hear.

Love,
Debbie





sarah

[SarahT]

ok let me see if I can explain

he did not get a chance to completely withdrawl off cymbalta so when they started him on citalopram it was giving the cymbalta withdrawl a snack every time he takes a pill and he is back to suffering the withdrawls as he is coming off citalopram.

he told him he would like to get off to see if he needs it.

he decreassed it at an apointment but they upped it from 40 to 60 over the phone

[Junior]

Debbie, just so you know, 80mg of Citalopram is twice the recommended maximum. I checked that out a while ago.

Sarah, I hate to say this but if he's been on Xanax since May, he's probably developed a tolerance to it :(

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings :(

F**KING DOCTORS. WHY DO THEY JUST KEEP THROWING PILLS AT YOUR HUSBAND??????????? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

An Angry Junior

[SarahT]

Now you can see my frustration.

[nursedeborah]

Debbie, just so you know, 80mg of Citalopram is twice the recommended maximum. I checked that out a while ago.

Sarah, I hate to say this but if he's been on Xanax since May, he's probably developed a tolerance to it :(

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings :(

F**KING DOCTORS. WHY DO THEY JUST KEEP THROWING PILLS AT YOUR HUSBAND??????????? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

An Angry Junior

junior,
Who know's what or how I said something yesterday! I do know that's double the dose. I was just so angry that they wouldn't let him
talk to his own doctor, or her to tell him what wa going on with him re: the Xanax! There is no way that it can't be working, and that's
why I was trying to explain to her what happens with the drug over time. Yes he has built up a tolerance to it big time!!!
He is on 4 mg per day, and 2 mg at night!!! and it doesn't help him already!! I also was thinking maybe he needs inpatient tx?

Debbie

[nursedeborah]

Now you can see my frustration.

Sarah,
Yes I can see you frustration, and just hearing all this makes me want to SCREAM!!! It's like you aren't getting the
help you need, no one is HEARING what your saying.

I agree with junior about the Xanax. It has only been a short time, but with that drug it happens. That's why he is
not getting the results he needs. Get him to get on the phone, and call his doctor, and tell them he just can't do the anxiety
and the meds are not working!!

Let me know what's happening!

Love,
Debbie

[SarahT]

I will he has an app next week tuesday but he is an @ss. He does not care what hubby is going though he will just perscribe what he feels like anyway.. With social scurity he don't want to switch drs until they decide. We want off all meds in part because the meds are not helping they are making all of this worse. no one will listen to us.

[nursedeborah]

Sarah,
I am not saying he should or shouldn't take meds, but it is apparent that something major is
going on with him. It's either the meds , and what they have done, or can I ask why did he go
on anything in the first place?

Your saying he wants off all meds, the only thing is his anxiety is still not managed, nor his
moods. Just seems like some kind of help is needed? I don't have the answers, but I think
maybe therapy is something tht would really help him during this horrible time.

I am glad you got him an appointment. Let's just hope your husband stands up to him this
time, and says this is not working, do something!!!

Take care, it will get better,

Love,
Debbie