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#31 gail

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:55 AM

Hi AnotherMind , yes that is definately how it feels & is indeed terrifying .. Stay strong & remind yourself that this is the withdrawel & this is why you're feeling this way .
Do you have anything to ease the anxiety , if you do than take it ..this is the time you really need it .



 

Anothermind, yes, I agree with Wagtail. Ease the anxiety with whatever you can, benzos are good for that.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:46 AM

Thankyou Wagtail - Ive just taken some valium, it's taken the edge off the terror. It is so encouraging to have this forum - the strength drawn from mutual compassion and shared experience is a gift indeed.

 

Now for the night...deep breath!


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 09:15 AM

Hi AM

 

Well here you are- it's happening! As Gail and Wagtail said, utilize the benzo- but it's also one of those traps- use is only AS NECESSARY or you'll  be weaning off that some day too. But use it. As time goes on you will find that just having the Valium on the shelf or in your purse will be enough to act as a hedge against anxiety.

 

In the iconic sci-fi novel Dune, Frank Herbert wrote, "Fear is the mind-killer, the little death." Well, anxiety is fear. 


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 03:58 PM

Anothermind hello again,

 

Glad to hear that you are using valium, long life. Easier to wean or taper from.

 

As it comes in 2 and 5mg.

 

Was on ativan in the last year, and have done most of the switch on valium. This thursday , no more ativan, Will be entirely on valium.

 

God, did I ever need it. Was put on cymbalta for anxiety and depressive moods. And that crap made go from 1.25 ativan to almost 2.50 a day. What a s***.

 

When the time is right, I will taper off gently.

 

As Fishinghat mentions, it is not comparable to the cymbalta withdrawal.

 

You do what you have to do to keep in survival mode till better days come, and they will.

 

I must mention that I felt a lot of guilt taking the benzos, counting and counting what I was taking, going half crazy with this.

 

But, as I said, it did help me survive this discontinuation. Still does, and at times, I must remind myself to take it, as I dont want to experience another withdrawal, one is enough.

 

3 months off crapalta, getting better and better, most of the time. Wax and wane, thanks Xman for the expression.


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Posted 27 May 2014 - 08:43 PM

Thanks people.

 

Gail - like you I ended up living on Benzo's to supress the anxiety that Cymbalta unleashed (after being put on it for depression) - so Ive gone off it before and it's true - weaning off aint nothin' compared with Cymbalta!!! This drug is such a complex reaper of chaos - I hate it! :angry:

 

TM - yes - anxiety is a total mind-killer, there is no space for personality or intellect when it strikes, every day is another little death. Exhausting.

 

Im sitting tight on my benzo courage and waiting for this storm to pass.

Once again, praise be to this forum!


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Posted 28 May 2014 - 04:09 PM

Thanks people.

 

(TM - yes - anxiety is a total mind-killer, there is no space for personality or intellect when it strikes, every day is another little death. Exhausting.)


Well said Anothermind, everyday is another little death, I have died so many times, so many, traumatising in the end.

Happy to report that this anxiety madness has diminished to a tolerable side-effect.

 

That is the greatest blessing up to date.

 

I no longer head to work in the morning exhausted by this.

I get exhausted easily though, but that too shall pass eventually.


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Posted 28 May 2014 - 04:43 PM

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I can see you're getting better, and that is fantastic! You've been pro-active throughout this, and  that helps a great deal- after all, resistance is futile- best to accept it, take the lemons and make lemonade. 


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 05:53 AM

Thismoment, just loved what you said, resistance is futile, take the lemons and make limonade!


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:18 AM

Hi everyone,
Firstly I am so grateful this forum exists! It's a wonderful resource and very reassuring to read of others experiences.
 
I took cymbalta for five years with good results initially but then over time noticed a dramatic worsening of my allergies. I am asthmatic and have multiple chemical sensitivities - but after 5 years on Cymbalta I just felt inflamed from head to toe. I have also been diagnosed as having fibromyalgia, but Im trying to ascertain whether what Im experiencing is Fibro related or Cymbalta induced.
 
I am curious as to whether others have noticed an increased level of inflammation in their bodies?
I went from a moderately allergic person to a person in a constant state of enlarged lymph nodes, flu-like syptoms, face rashes, vulvodynia, irritable bowel, gastric reflux, stomach problems, chronic sinusitis etc, etc,etc.... and the return of major depressive symptoms. :(
 
Medical professionals seem to draw a blank when I describe this predicament. So in a bid to ellimintate Cymbalta as a potential cause, Im weaning off (which is HELL - day 5 now ).
 
My shy hope is that when the withdrawal symptoms subside my immune function and inflammation might improve....?
 
Anyone else feel like Cymbalta opened an immunilogical Pandora's Box for them?


AM...HELLO, THANKFUL I FOUND YOUR POST...I'VE BEEN SEARCHING VORACIOUSLY FOR POSTS THAT CAN ANSWER WHAT IS HAPPENING @ DAY 11-12 WITH NO CYM! I DONT KNOW IF THIS IS A FIBRO FLARE LIKE I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED TO THIS DEGREE OR THE CYM. THROBBING PAIN IN LEGS, SWOLLEN LYMPH NODES, FEVER, SWEATS/CHILLS, ARMS ARE NO BETTER THAN LEGS (FEELS LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN SEVERED & REATTACHED) 2nd night of no sleep except for a few bouts of 15-20 minutes dosing off & waking up with tremulous nightmares...

ANY THOUGHTS, SUGGESTIONS OR REMEDIES? Your post is the closest To what I am being tormented with? Thanks, Rebecca

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:41 AM

Hi Rebecca

I sorry to hear that you are going through this torment. Do you suffer from fibromyalgia also?

If it's any consolation my first 2-4 weeks were very much as youv'e described - the only relief I could find was magnesium, fish oil, warm baths and valium (when the muscle spasms and sleep disturbance got too bad.)

 

Can you get your doc to prescribe some valium or temazepam? - they really take the edge off the nightmares and pain.

 

Im now at week 6 off Cymbalta  - and the sypmtoms (some of which you are also describing) are definately calming down and far more managable.

 

hang in there, it gets better - lots of self-nurturing, support and patience. (and benzos!)


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:47 AM

AM...I have Xanax 1mg's. I have taken 1mg @ bedtime for years and prn. Haven't taken any extra doses through this nightmare...will taking one now help with this pain do you think? Magnesium? How much & what form? I am @ the point of no return right now:....(

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:51 AM

PS...yes, I have Fibro amongst a host of other issues...too much:(. I was diagnosed with Fibro 21 yrs ago after an emergency laminectomy, fusion @ C4, 5 & 6...

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 06:33 AM

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Day 11. You are sick with discontinuation and I see that it has left you incredulous with the variety and intensity of symptoms. Everything you are describing-- the fibro list, the sleep issues, the joint and muscle pain, the anxiety, the nightmares-- is all part of it, and it will all slowly fade. The first 4-8 weeks are the worst. Yes CS, this IS unbelievable!!

 

If you still have pain from your previous back surgery, get something for that- opioid or whatever does the job. As AM said, "lots of self-nurturing, support and patience (and benzos)."

 

I've been saying this for a while: You have tie yourself to the mast until you have sailed past the siren song of discontinuation! If you mention Cymbalta Discontinuation Syndrome to the doctors they will just laugh and write you a prescription for another SSRI; your physicians will interpret these symptoms as relapse at best or perhaps fibro, or something entirely new! They are as incredulous as you and I! Cymbalta has been marketed as an antidepressant for just 10 years-- neither the cooks at Eli Lilly nor the physicians have any idea what this long-term discontinuation will yield.

 

Warm baths, gentle walks, read something pleasant when you can, don't stare at computer screens before bedtime. Patience patience patience.

 

You are not developing new diseases; the symptoms will lessen and become bearable in time. You simply have to start working with it as symptoms begin to fade.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 06:43 AM

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Magnesium tablets or powder (high absorbtion) 500mg twice a day. (or even 3)

I havent used Xanax - but if you feel it calms you down - lean on it. Anything that helps and subdues the distress.

I dont know if you have a bath or if its easier to shower - but I found having frequent showers and baths helped me relax and soothed both the pain and anxiety associated with the withdrawals.

 

TM - thanks for the reminder that we are not developing new diseases - it sure can feel like it as this process unfolds.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:03 AM

TM..Since I first read one of your posts of 'tying yourself to the mast,' it is a constant that I repeat & visualize when I don't believe I will make it until the sea of tumultuous withdrawal waves settles. This ship is beaten & battered but I am tied to the mast albeit with some inferior, frayed material...I am throwing the anchor overboard so this ship doesn't veer too far off the course through this current storm.

So many drugs, so little options!

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:11 AM

AM...I don't feel anxious. Maybe I'm confused about defining it as I am wracked with such leg, arm & brain pain I don't recognize this an anxiety related.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:18 AM

Cymsik, I understand.

 

I use the mast metaphor primarily as a method of avoiding being talked into other medications while these phantom diseases assail us. How long to stay tied to the mast? For me it would have been 6 months. I, however ran to the doctor with all my new diseases; I was referred to several specialists; I was offered several SSRIs: and went to the ER twice because I thought I was dying. None of it was real- oh it hurt at the time, but it all slowly faded away.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:28 AM

I am not in a good way & hopelessness is stuck on 'Repeat' ...I NEED sleep & need to escape this physical pain for a few hours...delusional. I don't want to get stupid to escape this so I'm reaching out to my lifeline of my cyber buddies...thanks AM & TM for responding so quickly:)

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:34 AM

TM...thanks for the affirmations & personal experience of having been right where I am. I was close to going to ER but your post was the God shot I needed to trust this process & other's personal experience to hang on...

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:44 AM

I just took two 10/325 Percocet & 1mg of Xanax...I must get settled down here & get the pain under some manageable level. I have never tortured myself like this before in denying myself medication for some relief. My brain must be so fried:/

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:44 AM

Hang in there Cymsik, better days are ahead for you! Cyber hugs and prayers!!!


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:48 AM

Cymsik

 

Put the hopelessness front and centre and look it in the face. Each day identify a small improvement in your symptoms, or a small blessing that's emerged from this ordeal. Use that to remove a letter from the end of the word hopelessness.

 

Today you identified that you have assets here on this website- take off an s. Today you said 'not today' to the ER- take off another s. Now you have hopelessne. . . and that's not even a word. See? It's getting better already!

 

Soon there will be just hope.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:49 AM

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Re: anxiety - I wasnt meaning to presume - I just automatically think of pain inducing anxiety. Just hoping you can find something to tone it all down.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 07:56 AM

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Take a warm bath (not hot) and get some rest. Not if front of the Mindsucker (the teevee), but in bed with the room darkened. If external noises bother you, run a fan to produce white noise.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:13 AM

I am so grateful & blessed that you precious souls were here talking me through this...whew, I am feeling much better now that the meds have kicked in. This CYM trip can be very scary:( I've never been one to seek/ask for help for so this site & the members are humbling me as I learn to reach out. I will 'Pay it Forward' ....hmmm, TM, dropping another letter!!

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 08:16 AM

Perfect plan...going to go do that now instead of passing out in this chair!!

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 10:00 AM

Cymsik, the teevee and computer right before bed or when overtired aren't restful....they jazz up the brain...the images, the colors, etc....TM is right about warm baths, and sleeping in a darkened room...with a fan or even a sound machine to make white noise or water sounds....and even if you can't sleep, just lying quietly for an hour or so......I used, still do sometimes, a blindfold to keep all the light out.....I also used lavender oil in the baths....

And yes, use the anxiety meds....the anxiety during the withdrawal/discontinuation process was, for me anyway, transitory....it was hit and run....and hit most often when my body/mind was tired...unfortunately, I didn't get an rx for a benzo until I'd been off the poison for about 4 months.....so I went through the worst of it without anything to relieve the anxiety....

Spoil yourself rotten to the fullest extent possible!



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