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#1 Jillybeans

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 07:09 PM

I have a question on these supplements, this is all food or plant based, I would like to know if this would be good for me to try as I combat these side effects of discontinuation withdrawal symptoms. I am on Day 3 on 5mgs, tomorrow I start on 10mgs for 3 days. I try to remember when it started these symptoms, I looked at my calendar, looks like it was about 2 weeks ago or maybe 2 and a half weeks ago. It's awful trying to remember.

 

Today I been sweating a lot, appetite is so so but I made sure I hydrate a lot. I feel like I have to drink gallons of it. I felt so strange going back on Facebook to try to get back into things, I felt out of place trying to read the posts, as my brain feels scrambled. This is kind of scaring me making feel like what if I'm brain damaged. It's been almost a month I haven't been on Facebook, or get back into my usual routine, I been housebound in a way since my appt at the counseling place Wednesday.

 

I do know I have to keep hanging in there, I just hope there's no damage to my nerves from this malady and need encouragement that it will go away in time. I think it will take longer than weeks, won't know yet as I reached to 20mgs on the Prozac then let that kick in to combat this. I just hope it will work. Earlier this afternoon I was searching for detox places here, I don't know if that will help but I guess I'm desperate to get better. I think I'm starting to get the emotions as Fishinghat had mentioned in my other post. The symptoms I been having is still there, it makes me mad or frustrated.

 

While my brain feels scrambled, been reading some posts as I can try to comprehend, this must be my brain is rewiring slowly - this site is incredible supportative and well explained, this is quite a group that I am glad I joined here. Thank you for letting me ask questions, the support and for being there for me.

 

 

Vitamins for 55plus (even though I'm 53, this has no iron)

https://www.amazon.c...ltivitamin&th=1

 

Balanced B complex

https://www.amazon.c...ltivitamin&th=1

 

For Sleep

https://www.amazon.c...ltivitamin&th=1


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:37 AM

By the way, the brain being scrambled is very typical and with time the cognitive abilities will return. The Omega 3 usually helps with that as well.
 
The "Vitamins for 55plus" seems like a good choice to compliment your other supplements. The only thing that concerns me is the green tea extract which normally contains caffeine. And they make the comment about "Feel the energy" which makes me think it could make anxiety/nervousness worse. Otherwise it looks great.

Balanced B complex - A good basic B complex. Looks good.

"for sleep"

Of course this would have to replace your magnesium supplement you are already taking.
It also contains Valerian root. A caution for those who use or are considering using valerian root. It greatly slows down the bodies ability to process and eliminate benzos. This allows the benzos to build to very high values in the body. Caution should be used when taking the two at the same time.

A comment from FiveNotions (member) - FN - Ditto to the valerian caution.....I tried it as tea....wasn't using benzos, but it whacked me out somehow....a tip I got from Fishinghat is to start whatever it is you're trying....amino, herb, etc....in very small amounts/does....and work up gradually....

It also contains ashwagandha. Seriously, most of this sounds promising BUT the plant contains fairly high level of steroids and long term testing would be wise.

http://www.webmd.com...ame=ASHWAGANDHA

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24497737

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24458838

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24431513

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24330893
For bipolar

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23439798
Anxiety

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22546655
OCD

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19363747
anxiety

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11194174
anxiety and depression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3252722/

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3573577/
anxiety

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3487234/
Safety and side effects

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2958355/
Anxiety

I would really like to thank you for bringing this plant to our attention. It sound like it has good potential.

It has been shown to lower BP, interfere with sugar metabolism in diabetics, irritate the gi system as well as possibly causing ulcers, increase thyroid hormone levels and increase immune system function which can be detrimental for aids, multiple sclerosis, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis.

Having said that it should be noted that these effects are limited and this product is comparative to lorazepam in its ability to control anxiety. That is impressive.

I am not suggesting in any way that this product does not have advantages. In fact it sounds like it has great potentials for many ailments. I did a search on European and Russian medical abstracts and sincerely found NO long term safety studies.

California poppy appears to be safe for most people when taken appropriately by mouth for three months or less. There isn't enough information to know if California poppy is safe for longer term use.

Sedative medications (Benzodiazepines) interacts with CALIFORNIA POPPY
California poppy might cause sleepiness and drowsiness. Drugs that cause sleepiness and drowsiness are called sedatives. Taking California poppy along with sedative medications might cause too much sleepiness. Some of these sedative medications include clonazepam (Klonopin), diazepam (Valium), lorazepam (Ativan), and others.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/27054913
This data suggests that EtOH extract of E. californica and its major alkaloids have a potential of causing interactions with drugs that are metabolized by cytochrome P450s, while the tea seems to be safer.

A 70% ethanolic extract of California Poppy (1.82% alkaloids) was able to bind to both 5-HT1A and 5-HT7 receptors in vitro at 100mcg/mL.[4] Specifically, when the 70% ethanolic extract was incubated at 9mcg/mL, it showed inhibition of 64 +/-4% of 5-HT1A receptors and inhibition of 76 +/-1% of 5-HT7 receptors. Binding on the 5-HT1A was mostly due to N-methyllaurotetanine since it alone showed an EC50 of 160+/-10nM and a Ki of 0.085 ± 0.001uM in preventing binding of 8-OH-DPAT to this receptor.[4]

Highly potent interactions at the level of the receptor with the ethanolic extract, but it is not known whether this is an agonist (activator) or antagonist (inactivator), or whether it is biologically relevant. This medicine may contribute to serotonin syndrome and should be used with caution with any other drug linked to serotonin syndrome like ssri and snri.

Some beta-blocking potential exists, with this extract inhibiting 32 +/-3% of binding to Beta-1-Adrenergic receptors, but underperformed relative to the active control of Propanolol (1.8nM EC50).[4] Care should be used when taking beta-blockers like propranolol or atenolol.
Source ...https://examine.com/...ia-californica/

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/16508250
Tea and vervain infusions inhibited iron availability.

Additionally, Vervain can interact with some high blood pressure and anticoagulant medications. NCBI

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 04:55 PM

Hmmm, I did wondered about the green tea too in the multi-vitamin. I probably will wait on that one. The balanced B complex I most likely will try, about the supplement Dreams, I probably shouldn't take it now that you had mentioned about high blood pressure medications. I take lisinopril, so I might steer clear of this one.

 

On day 4 on Prozac now on 10 mgs for the 3 days, so far I am tolerating this medication. I managed to go to the food pantry and drive home okay, just a short trip for today. So far, so good - though I am feeling a bit tired, not way too hungry but I will stay hydrated.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 05:58 PM

Sounds good. Let me know if there is any other questions you have. Meanwhile relax and wait it out.

 

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 06:56 PM

Today I'm on day 8 taking 15mgs of Prozac, made it this far before I take 20mg starting Friday to take in hope that it will knock out the discontinuation withdrawal.

 

Exhausted though, I hope I can handle taking 20mg. I still have some tingling, burning through me, some muscle weakness, some heart palpitations, and the anxiety is more in the morning time  - I think it's a side effects from Prozac on top of it. The sweating while sleeping, and on and off during the day, not fun.  I am still not very hungry, I feel like I'm wasting away from losing weight. The brain fog had lifted more, my vision is getting there, I am still sensitive to sounds and some ear ringing. I am not myself still.

 

I haven't ordered the balanced B complex yet, I was wondering as I was checking nerve support stuff on Amazon yesterday. I am not familiar about skullcap, and other herbs. Would some kind of nerve support formula be good to try in injunction to B complex? I have been resting mostly and try to keep positive, I am scared what if I have nerve damage from that tingling, burning and muscle weakness. I been keeping hydrated, but my eating is so so as I have not much appetite.

 

What will happen to me if I am on Prozac 20 mgs for less than 6-8 weeks? I do know the withdrawal will happen after this leaves my system, it has a longer shelf life. I want to be off all antidepressants after the Prozac. Would this mess me up?


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Posted 15 November 2017 - 07:07 PM

The decision is up to you, but if you feel better on the 20 mg of Prozac then I would stay at that level until I see how much better I get in time. If after a while you think you are OK then that's good. Stabilize at that level for a few weeks and then beginning weaning the Prozac. If you are on 20 mg and don't get feeling good enough after a couple weeks then you can always kick it up to 30 mg. By slowly going up you can find the minimum dose that will be effective and when it comes time to come off the Prozac you won't have as far to drop.


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Posted Yesterday, 02:36 PM

Tomorrow I will taking 20mgs after the slow increase, I will keep my fingers crossed that this will help me. When I see the nurse practitioner next Wednesday to let her know how I'm doing, I will ask her about weaning off later - and I want to know how she will have me wean off before I do this.

Probably will be the same way I started, 2 days 0n 20, then 3 days on 15mg, keep doing that until I get to 5 mgs - unless it'll be done different. Most likely after the holidays will be good to wean off, hard to say when's a good time.





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