Webmd Is Eli Lilly
#2
Posted 20 August 2014 - 09:06 AM
Yep, so if you use the site, remember ... there are some facts there ... but there are glaring omissions and "slanted" commentary ... cross check everything with at least one, ideally two or three other sites ... Dr David Healy's site Rxisk.com is a good source ...
#3
Posted 20 August 2014 - 09:18 AM
And Dr Phil is funded by Pfizer whose drug sales rep Freda Lewis-Hall, M.D. enjoys regular pill-pitching sessions on his show. That's why you'll never hear a negative word about antidepressants from the good doctor: it would be a conflict of financial interests.
Fortunately for Dr Phil, financial interests and ethics are non-overlapping magisterial. lol
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#4
Posted 20 August 2014 - 09:58 AM
I just have to laugh at this and our society. Always sitting in the doctor's offices I see drug reps who make large amounts of cash. They are usually former student athletes or have great looks. If you think it is about looks and not about the actual science, it is sick to me. It is not the drug reps fault though, but the industry itself.
I don't trust the medical profession as I did 10 years ago. I now have lost all trust in all Psychiatrists, M.D's, and DO's. I do not trust them anymore especially when they are pushed by drug reps. It's not science and I am not going to be taken as another victim.
I am just going to simply say no to most drugs unless it is a drug that is going to save my life like insulin or a cancer drug. The antidepressant scam has been going on for too long.
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#5
Posted 20 August 2014 - 10:41 AM
...I see drug reps who make large amounts of cash. They are usually former student athletes or have great looks...
i worked with a woman who before joining my company was a very successful drug rep - can't recall which one - however when she reached 40 she was let go. she still looks like she is in her 30's but they knew how old she was and had younger prettier blondes who could replace her - at a lesser draw as well. i learned a lot from her about how big pharma markets and sells their contraband.
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#9
Posted 31 August 2014 - 12:31 AM
Gladiola
Yes WebMD is Eli Lilly's medical information look-alike site. It's there to sell their products by presenting stories and "studies" that make their products look good. It's just business; it's all about sales. Here are a few sites you might like.
https://www.rxisk.org/Default.aspx
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#11
Posted 02 November 2014 - 10:05 PM
Blackbird,
I'm so sorry that you are still having the speech issues. I have heard from many on this forum suffering from the same problems. Yes, no matter what the ass of a Dr. says, it IS due to the crapalta withdrawal.
I pray that you will continue to improve.
Hugs,
Liz
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#12
Posted 27 December 2014 - 07:58 AM
#15
Posted 28 December 2014 - 12:17 AM
the fellow who started the site, Ken Savage, told us that it's (now) being paid for by the advertising ... there's a law firm, Schmidt & Clark, and I think there are now some other goofy ads ... I can't see them, because as soon as the ads appeared earlier this fall, I downloaded "AdGuard" (best $20 per year I've spent recently) ... it blocks all the ads here ... and on all other web sites as well ... unless you choose to "exclude" them ... for example, I like to see the ads on some of the sites I visit, for quilting, fabrics, stuff like that ... but the last thing I need to see when I arrive here are ads for law firms and other mental health junk . .. AdGuard gives me a nice, peaceful "browsing experience" ...
#17
Posted 28 December 2014 - 11:53 AM
Hi Chris, yep, most of us asked the same question when we arrived here ... the crapalta encounter is what "woke up" most of us about the whole big pharma/pill pusher agenda ... it sure did me ... I went through a phase of massive anger at the beginning ... first at myself, for being so "naïve" ... then I realized that it wasn't my fault, I just trusted my docs ... which is what medicine and the doctor/patient relationship used to be all about ... then, I got angry at the docs/pharma cos ... then, I realized that before I could be an "activist" against this issue, I first needed to focus all my (little) available energy on myself... getting myself through withdrawal, back to being healthy, and then engaged in educating myself ... this is a wonderful forum and group of people for learning ... and you, with your background in biology, can make a huge contribution ... just first focus on getting well for yourself ... which I can tell you're doing, and doing great ...
I'm so very glad you found us!
How are you feeling today? What are the "symptoms du jour"? And did you hold up ok through Christmas?
#18
Posted 28 December 2014 - 03:20 PM
#19
Posted 29 December 2014 - 01:47 AM
I know it sounds positive and perhaps even moral (to some) to have a 'drug-free' day, but the practice is counterproductive and surely hazardous. Both the opioid Norco and the muscle relaxant Cyclobenaprine have serious withdrawal effects when discontinuation is begun-- either by withdrawing cold turkey or weaning-- OR when regular doses are missed.
If you wish to discontinue one or more of these meds-- it's advisable to do them slowly, one-at-a-time. Don't worry, just go slow.
Breathing issues are cited for both Norco and Cyclo, as well as cognitive impairment, and the impact will be more diverse and unpredictable when dosing is altered. The Cyclo and the Cymbalta also affect urinary function-- Cymbalta was first approved for Stress Urinary Incontinence but a more lucrative deployment was discovered and it was re-branded as an antidepressant and pain medication.
Bottom Line: if you start and stop the meds willy-nilly you will be in a constant state of withdrawal with one or more of the meds, and you will surely be miserable. I know you have a lot on your plate right now, therefore it would be completely reasonable to ask your physician and/or psychologist for assistance in sorting it all out.
Because the med-scheduling is likely part of the problem, perhaps address that first. We will help as much as we can.
You asked earlier about what's permanent and semi-permanent inside the world of antidepressants (Cymbalta and the other SS and SNRIs). As a biologist you know the brain is a physical system beholden to same physical laws as everything else, and you know of its neuroplastic nature. Neuroplasticity refers to changes in neural pathways and synapses due to changes in behavior, environment (medications), neural processes, thinking, emotions, as well as changes resulting from surgeries and bodily injury.
Every event that enters the brain via the senses and the bloodstream physically alters the brain-- from a duloxetine molecule to a kiss on the cheek! These 'changes' alter with time and with new inputs, so it's probably safe to say that most changes to the brain are semi-permanent. (In discontinuation terms, most of the symptoms fade away and eventually the rest are simply no longer noticed). But it's the 'watched pot' problem-- we need to find distractions while we withdraw.
Discontinuation- like winter- doesn't just end, it fades slowly; it is quietly assimilated by spring.
But the only truly effective way to change the brain is to put new stuff in via basic daily practice (the same way you get to Carnegie Hall. lol). Self-talk is a form of practice, and we all know how negative self-talk physically alters our brains, and how bad that feels.
Right now you need some peace and a firm foundation from which to address this discontinuation issue. You can do it and we can help, and it's going to be alright. Hang in there!
When you are more comfortable and able to concentrate, consider learning Mindfulness, which is a vehicle for reprogramming the brain with healthy conditioning and many profoundly liberating perspectives.
Best wishes.
#20
Posted 29 December 2014 - 10:35 AM
Norco is a combination of Acetaminophen and Hydrocodone ...it's an opioid ... controlled substance ... addiction and withdrawal risks ...
Cyclobenzaprine (Flexeril) is a drug that's used "recreationally" / illegally ... and it has it's own withdrawal syndrome ...
please be careful ....
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#21
Posted 29 December 2014 - 12:25 PM
#22
Posted 29 December 2014 - 01:37 PM
CC:
please know that while it is difficult, withdrawal is NOT hopeless and you will get through this. i went cold turkey a little over 7 months ago and i felt really bitter for awhile, but realize it is what it is and its best i focus on recovery instead of ruminating on what happened and the "what ifs" about the whole situation. even through the most difficult times early on i was able to make plans and get involved in certain activities i was actually traveling when i quit. its important to manage your stress level. i find that often while making plans i get edgy and anxious, but when actually involved in the activity i planned for i feel a great relief! we hear the term "mind over matter" but, sometimes i have to implement the idea of "Muscle over mind" - i have to simply make myself do something regardless of how i "feel". are you getting support from your husband, family/friends? certainly they will never truly understand, and yes, they will get frustrated at times, but hopefully they can offer some support and cut you some slack in regard to expectations.
are you getting counseling with a therapist? if it wasn't for cognitive behavioral therapy i wouldn't have been able to recover as much as i have thus far. i have had to rely on changing what i tell myself, our self talk is what will lead us on the path to recovery.
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Posted 29 December 2014 - 06:19 PM
#24
Posted 30 December 2014 - 11:56 AM
Be at Peace, do not worry about anything ... now is not the time to make plans, decisions, life changes ... hell, don't even brush your teeth if you don't feel up to it ... just give yourself full permission to heal, to rest, to do nothing ...
You're doing great, and we're rooting for you!
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Posted 30 December 2014 - 07:57 PM
#26
Posted 31 December 2014 - 01:23 AM
Chris, 1 out of 10 people in the US are on antidepressants ... not sure if that stat is for adults age 18 and over, or if it includes teenagers and children (I'll fact-check that and post what I find here) ... and, of that 10%, 96% are women/females ... I'll check that stat as well ...
We women are "easy marks" for big pharma and their psych meds ... I have some theories about this, and some articles about it, which I'll share tomorrow... er, later today ...
#27
Posted 31 December 2014 - 08:42 AM
#28
Posted 31 December 2014 - 11:47 AM
Here ya' go ...
https://www.cymbalta...itis#entry30592
https://www.cymbalta...rawling-nausea/
https://www.cymbalta...?hl=+skin +rash
https://www.cymbalta...?hl=+skin +rash
And, here's a research article about serotonin and skin issues ...
Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor-Induced Rash: Case Report and Review of the Literature
http://www.medscape....rticle/432399_3
If it would help your family understand that this isn't something that can just be "willed away", maybe you could show them some of the posts here on the forum?
Another alternative is to give them a couple of research articles that discuss the role of serotonin in the brain, and explain that Cymbalta artificially elevates serotonin, quitting it cold turkey cuts of the serotonin supply, etc etc etc .... they need to understand that this is a BRAIN issue ... and no, they can't see your brain, but it's what has been damaged ... and brain cells take longer than other cells to heal/regenerate ... or, if they can't do either of those things, the brain has to re-wire itself for new pathways ....
we've got tons of research articles in the archives ... let me know if you'd like me to find some for you to show them ...
objectify the issue for them ... use your professional knowledge to educate them ... this isn't an "emotional" issue ... it's neurophysiological ...
You're doing great Chris, you just don't feel great and you don't realize that you're doing great ... you're clearly a fighter, and you are going to come through this in one piece, with a few "bangs and dents" for sure ... but you'll look back and see how far you've come and you'll be so very happy that you made the decision to get off this stuff ... life after crapalta is, I assure you, wonderful!!
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