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[Carleeta]

FiveNotions. .here is my take on the manufacturing of Ebola and Aids...I don't believe this to be true. Of course I can't be certain, although I hardly believe it's true. As far as testing sites around the world for a number of things, well I'm sure they exist in secure and remote areas in the world. All I can think to say about testing like this is; if we tested deadly diseases like this to be formed, who were the brave individuals who took the chance to do this and why hasn't this or other said viruses come up here in the US? All information I receive on ebola has come from the infectious control doctor who I know personally (from the lab) and heads of labs in our area who attend lectures and then my friends and family who still work in the lab. Our lecture were so intense it would take a week of two to three hours a day for one virus or disease. In every lecture on these areas, there is one commonality; they begin in animals and get to humans. Therefore, for the animal to get it, somewhere in the soil from what ever they consume (dead decomposition, rotting, things growing in water, and etc. ). It's so detailed and every disease or the like is different as to what actually comes about. One thing we know for sure is how the process starts once years have gone by. Since they found out how AIDS came about (it wasn't through what this professor states) we will know how ebola came about. What I do know about the ebola and the US is we knew about this virus and have been testing it for years (not sure how many) for some type of vaccine to combat the spread.

With that being said, I don't believe this professor, although if it is true, all we need to do is find a cure. Like all other outbreaks from measles, malaria, and etc.

As far as your neighbors, I don't believe a word they are saying. They live in the US, they work in the US, they can read, write, talk on cell phones, and travel. How could they not know ebola is contagious. Either they are deliberately misleading you, or they think contagious means airborne. I'm more inclined to think they are misleading you because they are trying to get their loved ones here where they feel they will have better living conditions.

You are very correct in saying the areas in west Africa where the outbreak is, happens to be in a poorly developed area, with little education and knowledge which leads to poor health, hygene, and unable to nourish their immune systems. Healthier individuals and the younger children have a much better chance of surviving the outbreak.

Don't know if I truly was any help here because my info comes strictly from lab and medical staff, and our outlooks are for caution and reaction... you are smart by just keeping your eyes and ears open. You are doing the right thing in conversing with the neighbors and taking things you hear from them and filtering in the facts....Just protect yourself....

[houseofmiro]

This may be the paranoia acting up, but has anyone read the Mira Grant trilogy and thought on how that situation somewhat mirrors the events across the pond?

*nevermind, that is insane, sorry*

[Carleeta]

Update on ebola...it has hit the United States....the state of Texas.

[TryinginFL]

Just saw this also...

 

Fox News is awaiting update from CDC... (Watching THE FIVE) 

[Carleeta]

Just saw this also...
 
Fox News is awaiting update from CDC... (Watching THE FIVE) Great tryinginfl, watch the news...I'm catching this on CNN. awaiting CDC....

[Carleeta]

Forum friends, please don't panic over Ebola reaching the US. My advice to all is to just notice anyone who has flu like symptoms with fever, and don't get to close to them.

[FiveNotions]

Chris Matthews vs. Ezekiel Emanuel on Ebola: "Obama Said It Was Unlikely. It Has Happened. It's Here"
http://www.realclear...d_its_here.html

thanks obama ....

[FiveNotions]

CDC issues Ebola guidelines for U.S. funeral homes
http://www.cbs46.com...s-funeral-homes
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There’s Really No Way To Screen for Ebola at Airports
http://www.defenseon...airports/90413/
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CDC director says U.S. should be able to contain Ebola spread
http://news.yahoo.co...-221131000.html-----------------------

[FiveNotions]

Local Media: Sierra Leone Government Cannot Account for More than 1,000 Ebola Patients
http://www.breitbart...-Ebola-Patients

[FiveNotions]

First Ebola Case Confirmed in Dallas; DFR Crew Quarantined
Dallas Fire-Rescue crew quarantined after transporting Ebola patient
http://www.nbcdfw.co...lowTwt_DFWBrand

[FiveNotions]

Well, this certainly makes our crapalta issues seem miniscule in comparison ....

Top doc: 'Several people were exposed,' more will be infected by Dallas Ebola case
http://washingtonexa...article/2554213

FTA: A former Food and Drug Administration chief scientist and top infectious disease specialist said that several people were exposed to the Ebola virus by the unidentified patient in Dallas, America’s first case, and it’s likely that many more will be infected.

Dr. Jesse L. Goodman, now a professor of medicine at Georgetown University Medical Center, said while the nation shouldn’t panic, it’s best to prepare for the worst.

[Carleeta]

FiveNotions, yes there have been individuals who have been exposed to ebola through this one case. I believe they are tracing everything this individual has done since he left WA, to Brussels and onto the US, and from the time he landed in the US to his hospitalization. Everyone they know he came into contact with is supposedly in quarantine now.

I'm confident the CDC is acting fast and doing exactly what's necessary to see it doesn't spread farther. This is not to say another individual won't enter the US this same way; with no visible symptoms.

What the most important fact to all of this is; our medical personal in the US is acting on high alert now..

[FiveNotions]

I no longer have any faith in our gov or the CDC or WHO ... with I could, Carleeta, but I don't ...

SOME SCHOOL-AGE CHILDREN HAVE HAD CONTACT WITH EBOLA PATIENT -TEXAS GOVERNOR PERRY
Reuters, 10/1/2014
http://af.reuters.co...N0RW1SF20141001

Officials: Second person being monitored for Ebola
USA Today, 10/1/2014
http://www.usatoday....tient/16525649/

Experts question two-day delay in admitting Texas Ebola patient
http://news.yahoo.co...-144519465.html
 
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http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz3EtKtOCNI

TIMELINE OF EBOLA DIAGNOSIS
•September 19 - Man boards flight in Liberia
•September 20 - Man lands in Dallas
•September 24 - Man starts to develop symptoms
•September 26 - Man goes to hospital but is sent home with antibiotics
•September 28 - Man placed in isolation in Dallas hospital
•September 30 - Man's blood tests positive for Ebola

The patient showed no symptoms of the disease during his journey - which also included a stop en route in Brussels, Belgium - but began to develop signs on September 24.

He sought medical care two days later at Texas Presbyterian Hospital - where he was dismissed with antibiotics amid reports that he had not been closely questioned about his recent travel.

On September 28, the man, believed to be in his fifties with children, was rushed to hospital in an ambulance while vomiting and was quarantined. It raises the frightening prospect that he was mixing freely with others for a full four days while showing symptoms of the virus - the time when Ebola is most contagious.

The ambulance crew who transported the patient all tested negative for Ebola on Wednesday but have been placed in 'reverse isolation' at their homes for the next 21 days as a precaution.

Ambulance 37 which transported him to the hospital has been cordoned off. There are concerns after it was used to move patients for two days after the Ebola patient but hospital officials have reassured citizens that it was properly sterilized.

Edited by FiveNotions, 01 October 2014 - 12:43 PM.

[Carleeta]

FiveNotions, it's OK to not have the faith, and I don't blame you....

[FiveNotions]

But I do have faith in you, Carleeta !

[FiveNotions]

similar story to my Liberian neighbors and bldg. van driver ... how they are bringing their family to the US to "visit" ... note the chain of contacts / transmission ... he came here to "visit" his son ... had just been in direct contact with ebola victim .. was living with the family ..

Ebola Victim in Texas Is Identified as a Liberian, Thomas Eric Duncan
http://www.nytimes.c...uncan.html?_r=0

[Carleeta]

similar story to my Liberian neighbors and bldg. van driver ... how they are bringing their family to the US to "visit" ... note the chain of contacts / transmission ... he came here to "visit" his son ... had just been in direct contact with ebola victim .. was living with the family ..Ebola Victim in Texas Is Identified as a Liberian, Thomas Eric Duncanhttp://www.nytimes.c...uncan.html?_r=0

Oh I agree with you FiveNotions. ..There is no way of knowing if a person has ebola until the symptoms are noticeable. . That's a sign to just keep looking for.....

[FiveNotions]

Well, you can be sure I ain't riding in the bldg. van after the driver returns from Sierra Leone and Nigeria

[Carleeta]

Well, you can be sure I ain't riding in the bldg. van after the driver returns from Sierra Leone and Nigeria

good choice...Wait a month after this person gets back to ensure he/she is clear

[FiveNotions]

well, this is the same initial flight route that my Liberian neighbor's son took, and that his remaining 2 sons will take ... Monrovia to Brussels, on Brussels Airlines, then from Brussels to London, from London to the US ... Dulles

U.S. airlines scramble to track down HUNDREDS of passengers U.S. Ebola patient had contact with on the THREE legs of his journey from Liberia to Dallas
http://www.dailymail...a-concerns.html

FTA: Hundreds of airline passengers were exposed to the Liberian national before he landed in Dallas, Texas, last month, as it is revealed that he took three flights to get from Monrovia, Liberia to the United States.

Officials announced that the man flew through Brussels to get to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport - but no airlines operate a direct flight from the European capital to Dallas, meaning he had to take a connecting flight in between.

Several leading U.S. airlines said on Wednesday they were in close contact with federal health officials about Ebola-related travel.
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The patient could have flown through London-Heathrow, the busiest international airport in the world, to arrive in Dallas - or one of several other major European cities, including Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris or Madrid.

It's also possible that the patient entered the U.S. at another major U.S. hub. Chicago's O'Hare, New York's JFK and Newark, Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson, and Miami international airports all operate flights from Belgium and also fly to Dallas.

But stocks in major U.S. air carriers fell as much as nearly 4 percent on Wednesday over fears that the spread of the worst known Ebola outbreak beyond West Africa would make more customers fearful of traveling
 

[FiveNotions]

yep, Monrovia to Brussels, 7 hr layover, then UA to Dulles ... same route my neighbors sons have/are taking ... spent 3 hrs at Dulles, then on to Texas .... had direct contact with two people who died of ebola 5 days before he left Monrovia ..
http://www.khou.com/...light/16558927/

Thomas Eric Duncan left Monrovia, Liberia, on Sept. 19 aboard a Brussels Airlines jet to the Belgian capital, according to a Belgian official. After layover of nearly seven hours, he boarded United Airlines Flight 951 to Dulles International Airport near Washington, D.C. After another layover of nearly three hours, he then flew Flight 822 from Dulles to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, the airline confirmed.

The New York Times is reporting that Duncan had direct contact with an Ebola victim on Sept. 15, 5 days before he arrived in the U.S.

Duncan helped carry the 19-year-old to a taxi before they headed to a hospital with her family, relatives said. She was turned away because there was no room at the hospital. She died at home hours later.
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The Hill, 10/1/2014
http://thehill.com/p...el-restrictions
The White House said Wednesday it will not impose travel restrictions or introduce new airport screenings to prevent additional cases of Ebola from entering the United States.

Spokesman Josh Earnest said that current anti-Ebola measures, which include screenings in West African airports and observation of passengers in the United States, will be sufficient to prevent the “wide spread” of the virus.

Her brother died from Ebola a few days later, the family told the Times.

[Carleeta]

FiveNotions, you are doing a great job researching on this subject. Thank you for posting this information out on this forum for all members to see.

[FiveNotions]

Carleeta, I wish this required actual research ... but all it takes is reading the headlines in the world news ... it's no longer "research" ... it's right on top of the surface information .. ..
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Hawaii: Patient in isolation at Queen’s Medical Center, officials say Ebola a possibility
http://khon2.com/201...-a-possibility/
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Breaking News: Ebola Outbreak 2014
http://www.breakingn...-outbreak-2014/

Texas health officials have told 4 'close' relatives of Ebola patient they could be arrested if they leave their homes without permission through Oct. 19 incubation period - @Reuters

Australia raises Ebola donation to $16 million but won't send medical team to West Africa for fear of infection - @AP
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Ebola outbreak: 'Five infected every hour' in Sierra Leone
BBC News, 10/2/2014
http://www.bbc.com/n...africa-29453755

A leading charity has warned that a rate of five new Ebola cases an hour in Sierra Leone means healthcare demands are far outstripping supply.

Save the Children said there were 765 new cases of Ebola reported in the West African state last week, while there are only 327 beds in the country.

Experts and politicians are set to meet in London to debate a global response to the crisis.

It is the world's worst outbreak of the virus, killing 3,338 people so far.

There have been 7,178 confirmed cases, with Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea suffering the most.

Save the Children says Ebola is spreading across Sierra Leone at a "terrifying rate", with the number of new cases being recorded doubling every few weeks.

It said that even as health authorities got on top of the outbreak in one area, it spread to another.

The scale of the disease is also "massively unreported" according to the charity, because "untold numbers of children are dying anonymously at home or in the streets".
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Ebola 'could become airborne': United Nations warns of 'nightmare scenario' as virus spreads to the US
Exclusive: Anthony Banbury, chief of the UN's Ebola mission, says there is a chance the deadly virus could mutate to become infectious through the air
http://www.telegraph...-to-the-US.html

FTA: It is a mistake to treat the Ebola epidemic as just a medical crisis . . . Instead it is a logistical and economic crisis, whose impact is strongest in those countries hardest hit by Ebola – Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone – but which may be felt around the world.

“Farmers are being impacted. Markets are being impacted. We will probably see much higher food prices and other people, like restaurant workers, will lose out on wages,” he said

“The crisis is far beyond a medical one. It is very much an economic crisis, both macro and micro. It is going to affect food security and have a devastating impact on the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of people who were able to earn a living as farmers and food workers but are not any longer. The economic shock around this is terrible.”
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[FiveNotions]

Doctor dons Ebola protection suit to protest CDC
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
http://www.wsbradio..../?__federated=1

FTA: Two days after a man in Texas was diagnosed with Ebola, a Missouri doctor Thursday morning boarded a plane at Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport dressed in full protection gear to protest what he called mismanagement of the crisis by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“If they’re not lying, they are grossly incompetent,” said Mobley, a microbiologist and emergency trauma physician from Springfield, Mo.

Mobley said the CDC is “sugar-coating” the risk of the virus spreading in the United States.

“For them to say last week that the likelihood of importing an Ebola case was extremely small was a real bad call,” he said.

“Once this disease consumes every third world country, as surely it will, because they lack the same basic infrastructure as Sierra Leone and Liberia, at that point, we will be importing clusters of Ebola on a daily basis,” Mobley predicted. “That will overwhelm any advanced country’s ability to contain the clusters in isolation and quarantine. That spells bad news.”

Mobley, a Medical College of Georgia graduate who had an overnight layover after flying to Atlanta from Guatemala on Wednesday, said that he feels that the CDC is “asleep at the wheel” when it comes to screening passengers arriving in the United States from other countries.

“Yesterday, I came through international customs at the Atlanta airport,” the doctor told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “The only question they asked arriving passengers is if they had tobacco or alcohol.”
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[FiveNotions]

Man in U.S. With Ebola Had Been Screened to Fly, but System Is Spotty
NYT, 10/1/2104
http://www.nytimes.c...-is-spotty.html

FTA: "In early August, the C.D.C. sent medical workers to the region to train local government officials and airport workers in Ebola screening . . .

But the system has its limits, relying on the traveler to reveal whether he or she has been exposed. And it leaves it to local officials to conduct the screening as they see fit . . . It is unclear how consistently or effectively those screenings are conducted across West Africa, and [the CDC representative interviewed] said she did not know how many potential travelers had been caught by screeners — if any. . .

Airlines have not taken any specific steps to deal with Ebola, representatives from several carriers said. . .But beyond taking simple precautions, airlines said they were not responsible for screening passengers.

The number of those passengers from West Africa is large. According to Airlines for America, the trade association of American carriers, more than 10,000 people flew to the United States from Sierra Leone from April 2013 to March 2014, and more than 17,000 flew from Liberia in the same period. Those figures include only passengers who flew on itineraries involving an American carrier.
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[brzghoff]

Man in U.S. With Ebola Had Been Screened to Fly, but System Is Spotty
NYT, 10/1/2104
http://www.nytimes.c...-is-spotty.html



Airlines have not taken any specific steps to deal with Ebola, representatives from several carriers said. . .But beyond taking simple precautions, airlines said they were not responsible for screening passengers.

 

they will change their tune as their ridership and stocks continue to drop off

[FiveNotions]

Ha ... right you are, Brzghoff !.... there's finally enuf "money value" in it for big pharma ... and airline stocks, not so much ...

Ebola Virus Hammers Airline Stocks, Boosts Pharma Stocks
http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=25895726

[FiveNotions]

hmmm ....

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Family of ebola patient initially did not comply with order to stay home
Houston Chronicle, 10/2/2014
http://www.chron.com...3.php?cmpid=bna
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BREAKING PHOTO: Chopper 5 from @wfaachannel8 showing how Ebola vomit was cleaned up
https://twitter.com/...4479105/photo/1
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Dallas Paramedic: We Weren’t Contacted After Working in Ebola Exposed Ambulance
http://www.breitbart...posed-Ambulance

FTA: HOUSTON, Texas -- A Dallas paramedic claimed he drove the ambulance that the US Ebola patient was transported in and that he was not contacted by anyone about the potential exposure. He claims he drove the ambulance sometime after the patient was transported. The Dallas Fire Department left the ambulance that transported Ebola patient Thomas Duncan to the hospital in service for at least 48 hours before putting it in quarantine on Wednesday. The ambulance was exposed to the Ebola virus when Duncan was transported on September 28th.

“All the people in the back of the ambulance 48 hours later before they finally took the ambulance out of service,” said Dallas Paramedic Geoffrey Aklinski in a discussion on Facebook, “none of them have been contacted. None of the paramedics that were on that shift and went in the ambulance were contacted. I’ve been off three days now. No one contacted me and I was in and drove that ambulance after it was infected.”

Aklinski said he was going to a doctor on his own initiative to be tested for the Ebola virus. “This is definitely a concern and exposed workers have not been contacted or tested… like me,” he explained. “I had to call into control in Dallas at 8 pm and complain to get evaluated.”

“Three days after the fact,” an exasperated Aklinski stated, “I had to demand exposure testing and they are reporting following up with all the people in the ambulance??? Bull crap!!! They haven’t even followed up with the ten firefighters that were on duty Sunday.”

Aklinski went further in explaining the frustration he and most likely, other firefighters, are feeling. “How do you not test and contact the firefighters at the station on Sunday!!! Only the two medics and the intern on the ambulance? I was freaking in that ambulance hours later driving it!!! No one bothered to contact me about it?!!!”

He went on to say he has contacted other news outlets and they won’t report his side of the story. “They just go with the official reports,” Aklinski stated.

Aklinski said he is going in for testing today and then will go into a 21 day home evaluation period.
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[TryinginFL]

This is really scary...

[FiveNotions]

U.S. Ebola patient's partner quarantined in apartment with family members
CNN, 10/2/2014
http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=us_c2

FTA: Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins, who's among local officials addressing the Ebola crisis, said that at one point, Louise and her family especially "were noncompliant with the request to stay home."
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'Hygiene issues'
Jenkins acknowledged problems with Louise's apartment but defended the overall government response.
. . .
"We have some hygiene issues that we are addressing in that apartment," Jenkins said. "Those people in the apartment are part of Dallas County, and they're going to be treated with utmost respect and dignity in this unusual situation.
. . .
Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings acknowledged other problems outside the apartment building, blaming the media and saying "it is as best disorganized out there."

The city has embedded police at the apartment complex "to make sure there is calm," the mayor said.

Sheets and towels used by Duncan still in apartment
Despite the close contact, Louise "does not feel that she came into any contact with any (bodily) fluids" from Duncan, [CNN's Anderson] Cooper said.

"She says he didn't vomit on her. She wasn't cleaning up after him. She said he was very much sort of prideful, would take care of himself, go into the bathroom when he had diarrhea," Cooper said.

Louise and her family are in isolation with sheets and towels used by the Ebola-stricken Duncan, Cooper said. Louise did use bleach to clean her apartment, "but it's not clear to me how systematic the cleaning was," he said.

The sheets used by Duncan were still on the bed, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention hadn't taken away those materials as of Thursday morning, Louise told Cooper.
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CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta said the continuing presence of the sheets, on which Duncan may have transmitted the virus through sweating, are disturbing.

"With the sheets still being on the bed, that obviously is a concern," Gupta said. "We've talked about the fact that this virus can live outside the body, can live on surfaces. It's unlikely for it to be transmitted to someone else that way.

"But why take a chance?" Gupta added.

In the wake of Louise's revelations about Duncan's sheets and towels, a medical waste contractor was on its way to her apartment Thursday, a CDC official said Thursday.

He did not explain why the contractor is on its way only now, as Duncan left the house many days ago.

Wilfred Smallwood, Duncan's half-brother, said his 21-year-old son is among those quarantined in Louise's apartment.

"He lived there with them, too," Smallwood said Thursday of his son. "I just talked to them this morning -- the woman and my son and all of them."

His son told him that "we all be OK," Smallwood said.

Duncan came to the United States for the first time September 20 so that he could "help his son" and visit his family, Smallwood said.

Smallwood said he became disturbed when told of Louise's accounts about the his brother's sweat-stained sheets in the apartment and the lack of food.

"I'm skeptical now" about the CDC response, Smallwood said. "That worries me now, yes."

Lakey, the Texas health commissioner, also said a crew will be cleaning and sanitizing the apartment.

Nonetheless, Gupta expressed alarm about the belated visit by the CDC waste contractor to Louise's apartment.

"It is hard to believe (the oversight) and there aren't good explanations here," Gupta said.

"As to why it already hadn't happened ... I would be curious," Gupta said. "Is this a dropped ball? We don't know."

One Ebola expert, Dr. Alexander van Tulleken, also said the federal response to the first Ebola case on U.S. soil seemed troubling. "So far we don't seem to reacting as well as we could," he said.

About Louise and her family, van Tulleken added: "It doesn't sound like they're being looked after at the moment."
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