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Posted 03 March 2019 - 10:47 AM

Yes petal.

 

All the withdrawal and side effects of the various meds have been keeping me in a permanent state of anxiety/depression, so knowing that whilst on Citalopram, I did not have any such troubles, I am going back to stabalise. All these drugs have thrown my body into a bad state of "neuro-shock" for sure. I need to stick to something for a long time to let it settle. I am not willing to risk trying another AD as the odds of it working are slim.

 

I have learnt that by switching between drugs like these, by shocking the system, the side effects and withdrawal can become much more intense. So whilst they may have worked if done correctly, that has not been the case for me, courtesy of the mental health team.

 

Looking back through my notes, I had stretches of up to 3 weeks of no symptoms, with bad patches bought on by stress. My intolerence of stress was initially bought on by the cold turkey of Citalopram 18 months ago. The last 6 months has bought all this back.. and worse. With the coping mechanisms that I have learnt now, those 3 weeks could be turned into longer periods, but until then, my body needs to right itself and the only way I can see this happening is by stopping all meds, or going back to celexa - stopping is going to be just too much at the moment.


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Posted 03 March 2019 - 12:10 PM

"I need to stick to something for a long time to let it settle. I am not willing to risk trying another AD as the odds of it working are slim."

Totally agree.

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 12:40 PM

Glad you agree Hat.

 

I am not saying that other meds would never work, but as my situation stands, my system is so sensitized, I doubt I could even apply sun-tan lotion without breaking out in hives. Hoping that in realising it is getting Citalopram, my system will say "oh, I know this one, I won't freak out" and stability will ensue...


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Posted 03 March 2019 - 01:34 PM

Thank you Scrat for the explanation.

Now, we need time and patience plus prayers for our sweet angel. Love you Scrat!

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Posted 03 March 2019 - 02:32 PM

Ooooooo - you said Hat's famous trademark words!!

 

Thank you so much Gailage. 


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Posted 04 March 2019 - 09:37 AM

IUN, did you read over that document about respiratory acidosis. It explains part of the reason for headaches during withdrawal Deep breathing exercises often help those.

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Posted 04 March 2019 - 10:10 AM

I was half way through it yesterday when I was distracted and forgot! But yes - just gone thru it this end.

 

Very stressful Monday, so might come in useful already!


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Posted 06 March 2019 - 04:24 PM

So a quick IUN update.

 

Weekend saw my mom rushed away with an asthma attack, monday my brother-in-law was taken by ambulance for suspect heart condition (still awaiting results) and more complications with the MH team - I won't go too far with the details, but it involved me shouting at them. Then the wonderful hacking cough started so next to no sleep. Yesterday was off to the doctor for meds - struggled through work feeling lousy and then stayed in bed for the rest of the day with chills, sweats, aches and pains. Another horrible nights sleep and woke to feeling down-right and simply fed up. Anxiety not too bad comparatively, but depression has hit hard. 

 

Does anyone remember those machines at the arcade... where you have a soft mallet and these little creatures pop up out of holes and you have to hit them? Then as soon as you hit one, another comes right up? So... I am the mallet and the little creatures are my problems. No sooner has one been dealt with, another one is there. And if I don't get rid of one in time, then another comes along...

 

Just a tough patch - but need a lot of strength to get through at the moment.


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Posted 06 March 2019 - 05:43 PM

Hugs and prayers my freind

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Posted 06 March 2019 - 07:03 PM

Thank you, brother.


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 09:49 AM

Hope you are feeling better today!  :wub:


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 11:58 AM

Thanks Kathy. Physical symptoms are better, but another sweaty night and some dizziness.

 

Now I may be overthinking this, but yesterday, 90 minutes after taking the amoxicillin, I had the most horrible wave of hopelessness. Then the same thing happened today - same time. I wasn't thinking about it until it had happened. 

 

Done some online looking, but plausible that the reduction of good bacteria is inhibiting the production of serotonin??


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 12:14 PM

You are doing too much thinking... stop that!  B)


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 01:06 PM

"Done some online looking, but plausible that the reduction of good bacteria is inhibiting the production of serotonin??"

Indirectly yes but you really do not have an option right now. 48 hours after your last antibiotic go on probiotics for a while to jump start your good bacteria population.

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 03:56 PM

I'm not Kathy!! Honestly!!

 

Antibiotics kill off ALL good and bad stuff. The good stuff makes the serotonin - some of which goes to the brainium. There are also a number of cases where people have reported penicillin to cause depression... and people with mental health are 3 times more likely to experience such symptoms. It also just occurred to me that when I last had a dose of amoxicillin (and steroids), I was in a very bad state. I thought it was the steroids...

 

Interestingly enough, my anxiety is non-existent today. 

 

Thanks for opinion Hat. I have found a trusted brand and due in for the morning. I will continue to take them after the course to see how it affects mood overall.


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 06:39 PM

I'm not Kathy!! Honestly!!

 

Yes you are! Read this post you made on my thread:

 

https://www.cymbalta...-taper/?p=80471


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 07:26 PM

Oh no - you are one of those "remember everything" girls...

 

I'm in trouble...  :huh:


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 08:02 PM

Oh no - you are one of those "remember everything" girls...

 

I'm in trouble...  :huh:

 

No I'm not! I was looking for something in my thread and came across this post! At the right time too!


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Posted 08 March 2019 - 10:04 AM

"Oh no - you are one of those "remember everything" girls..."

Aren't they all?

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Posted 08 March 2019 - 10:57 AM

"Oh no - you are one of those "remember everything" girls..."

Aren't they all?

 

Hey now!!!! lol

 

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Posted 08 March 2019 - 11:02 AM

My mood deteriorated last night before bed (which hardly ever happens). I woke up feeling stomach pains and bad nausea... and I am compelled to say... suicidal. 

 

I haven't taken my antibiotics this morning, even with the probiotics.

 

I can't feel like this any more. Can only think the antibiotics have done this - despite the stressful week.


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Posted 08 March 2019 - 11:21 AM

I am thinking of you IUN! How are your physical symptoms today?


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Posted 08 March 2019 - 01:20 PM

IUN, do NOT take probiotics with the antibiotic. That will really upset your stomach and the antibiotics will be used up on killing the probiotics rather than the disease bacteria. The probiotics should be used AFTER the antibiotics are finished. There is a section on this in Summary of Cymbalta Withdrawal.

Never mind. It just said the same thing I said above. Many research articles on the subject of use of probiotics when taking antibiotics.

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Posted 08 March 2019 - 01:43 PM

Hat, what would we do without you?  :hug:


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Posted 08 March 2019 - 02:05 PM

My pleasure to serve dear Kathy.

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Posted 08 March 2019 - 02:54 PM

Thank you both.. very much.

 

I feel better now than I have all week. I can't believe the difference. It is too much of a change to be placebo of just not taking the antibiotics. Still a but dizzy and stomach is still cramping, but that much I can live with for a day or two.

 

Hat... I knew I had read that somewhere. I was advised that one can take probiotics an hour or two after the antibiotics, after I said that I would not take them until the course of antibiotics has finished. Thank you for clearing that up. I'll have a read when I have caught up with the forum messages.

 

[EDIT - found it] "A caution - DO NOT take probiotics while on an antibiotic as the antibiotic will spend its energy killing the probiotics instead of your infection."

 

These are what I have bought;

 

https://smile.amazon...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

So, my last dose of amoxy was 15 hours ago - should I be safe to start taking the probiotics now? 


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Posted 08 March 2019 - 04:21 PM

You are already done with the antibiotics?

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Posted 08 March 2019 - 04:23 PM

The half life is 1.4 hours so you would be safe taking it now.

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Posted 08 March 2019 - 04:39 PM

You are already done with the antibiotics?

 

Hat... I couldn't take the level of depression that I now know it was causing. I am not being dramatic, I have lived thru enough depression to know my limit, but I hope this can serve as a warning... A quick Google will evidence. 6 out of 20 reviewed mention depression as a side-effect;

 

https://www.askapati...ame=AMOXICILLIN

 

I have done three days - if it comes back, I will find something else to tackle it. Never again.


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Posted 08 March 2019 - 04:53 PM

Just a word to the wise...Clindamycin carries a warning with it, not to be taken by patients with clinical anxiety.



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